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In a well-intentioned yet dangerous move to fight online fraud, France is on the verge of forcing browsers to create a dystopian technical capability. Article 6 (para II and III) of the SREN Bill would force browser providers to create the means to mandatorily block websites present on a government provided list.

I don't agree that it's "well-intentioned" at all but the article goes on to point out the potential for abuse by copyright holders.

cross-posted from: https://radiation.party/post/64123

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[–] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 year ago (15 children)

ainsi mieux protéger nos enfants

This is to protect our children of course.

As usual, so anyone who is against this law can be depicted as someone who is supporting pedopornography.

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[–] skookumasfrig@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Service providers in many countries are required by law to do this through DNS for years. The UK, Italy, Germany and Brazil are just a few that I've had personal experience with. Moving this to the browser really isn't necessary since there will always be easy ways around these types of blocks.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

"The internet treats censorship as a fault and reroutes around it."

[–] drunkensailor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah but those usaully are bypassable if you have vpns or custom dns or whatnot. even for neewbies that just use vpn client sw.

if they force it at browser level, in theoty, that would even override vpn / custom dns unless you have a modifyied browser that removes the block or otherwise doesnot comply. which most novices wont know how ot do.

another good reason to use ff / foss browsers if you aren'y already. kinbda hope they do it, just to drive up marketshare of foss bowsers lol

[–] sndrtj@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

France and dystopian copyright laws, name a more typical duo.

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[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is dumb on so many levels. It'd be trivial for people to obtain a web browser that ignores this. The biggest browsers in the world all have open-source code bases, so anybody could build something with near feature parity but none of the restrictions, and then distribute it wherever. Enforcing this would be just create another game of wack-a-mole, with no advantages for the copyright holders, and potential abuse against even non-pirate users. Very slippery slope.

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should cars be required by law not to let you drive to drug deals? Should glasses be required by law not to let you read banned books? Should testicles be required by law not to produce government-unsanctioned sperm?

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have an even simpler example: should cars be required not go over the speed limit?

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

No because they'd lose the ticket revenue

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The laws already require you to not infringe copyright. This is a new front in the same old war.

[–] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes definitely, but currently the onus is on the user to not infringe. The French proposal is putting at least some of the onus on the developer of the browser which is a new front, I agree.

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[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If google implements is drm technology they are actively implementing already now, the answer is an absolute yes.

Download firefox now.

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[–] jacktherippah@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Good luck trying to enforce that.

[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hope the french revolt about this too. Maybe throw a bunch of pc's on the prime ministers bathroom.

[–] omeara4pheonix@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago

Eh, it's unenforceable. Just theater from a bunch of politicians that don't understand the technology. I wouldn't worry about it.

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Browsers are open source

[–] Fylkir@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

How would this even be enforced?

[–] roofuskit@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Despite all the problems we have in the United States, this would be struck down in court SO fast due to the first amendment to our constitution. The government making a list of speech you are not allowed to hear is pretty much the most cut and dry violation of that.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's literally no way to enforce this.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's not actually working, but VPN sales are going up.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Which can be easily circumvented.

[–] Pulp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The main sites yes. Others are ignoring it

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] ThetaDev@lemmy.fmhy.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The most stupid part of this idea is that is requires a list of banned sites to be served to every user.

Even if they would use hashing to obfuscate the banned domains, you can download a list of all registered domains and just test every one of them.

So the average internet user will lose freedom while a cheese pizza enjoyer with some computer knowledge will gain a list of every banned CP site.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Please tell me this is a joke and you aren’t actually a pizzagate nutter

[–] ThetaDev@lemmy.fmhy.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, I thought "Cheese Pizza" ist just an acronym for inappropriate pictures and videos of children. Tell me if I'm mistaken (English is not my first language).

[–] Jck2905@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah you are good. Cheese pizza as an acronym for you know what has been around longer than pizza gate.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you weren't around long enough to appreciate the war on terror during which the George W. Bush administration and the very right wing Congress and SCOTUS all had fantasies about locking down the internet and making sure no one could think terror thoughts without the DHS knowing.

And while we're at it, kill that porn bugbear, for the children, of course.

Then they realized qucikly enough that the only thing netizens love more than porn is cat pics (seriously. We measured.) and all we'd do by criminalizing unregulated internet traffic is make criminals of everyone in the US.

And who would be right there to teach everyone about net privacy and how to keep all your transactions hidden? Terrorists. Child porn enthusiasts. Communists. Also the whole black market where you can buy children and bomb parts. Also thr encryption / privacy community that occupies every LUG across the world.

[–] acastcandream@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

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