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And-1 After the Clock Expires (alien.top)

submitted 1 year ago by OddToba@alien.top to c/nba@nba.space

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In the Lakers vs. Kings game, Lebron just got fouled on a play right at the halftime buzzer.

They ruled a foul at 0.2 seconds left on the clock, as he was going up. He missed the shot attempt AND the ball was still in his hands when the clock expired.

However, if he made it, would it count as an and-1? (Despite the clock expiring)

Chronologically it was:

Possession -> foul at 0.2 seconds remaining -> clock expiration (with ball in his hands still) -> shot attempt

Maybe it’s a dumb fucking question because I’m high right now. But… aren’t all and-1 plays essentially dead-ball possessions (with the dead-ball in effect the moment the foul is determined). Therefore, does it matter if there is or is not any time left on the clock? It’s a dead ball regardless, right? So in the above scenario, does a hypothetical made continuation basket, after the foul call, and after the expiration of the shot clock, count?

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[–] blatant_shill@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It wasn't an and-1. It looks like the play-by-play showed it as a shooting foul. Though, I swear they deemed it a common foul and that the Kings were in the penalty. He shot two free-throws, but missed one

[–] sewsgup@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

it should count imo

its not like after a made basket time is affected. time stops at the time of the foul, and the made basket is scored indepedent of that

[–] CactusHooping@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Those plays are the best to watch when it comes down to the wire.

[–] BcuzRacecar@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

clock expiration (with ball in his hands still)

then its not a valid shot, two freethrows

[–] DrYoda@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The clock stops when the foul occurs, they’d put time back on the clock before the free throw

[–] LotharBot@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

reading the NBA rulebook, 13 II e at https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/ seems to be where the answer lies, specifically parts 4 and 5:

> 4. For a called foul that is committed on or by a player in the act of shooting:
whether the foul occurred prior to the expiration of actual time; or
whether the shooter released the ball prior to the expiration of actual time if the foul occurred after the expiration of actual time.
> 5. If the shot was timely, whether the successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal or, in the case of a shooting foul, whether the shooter fouled was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.

What this seems to imply is that, in order to get continuation, the shot still has to be out of the shooter's hand before 0:00. If they're fouled before that but don't get the shot up, it's not a "timely shot" -- it's a foul before time expired, and would be a 2 shot foul, but not a make. (I am not an actual rules expert, I'm just trying to make sense of what I'm reading, and I *think* this is the correct take.)

[–] freebzArt@alien.top 1 points 11 months ago

Stay off the weeeeeeeeeed