Zoom was always a gigantic shitshow and borderline illigal in a lot of countrys.
this post was submitted on 07 Aug 2023
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More than borderline, but no court ever gives a fuck
Schools in my country are not allowed to use it at all, so they kinda do.
That was admin decision, not courts. But anyway looks like your location has [NOT] been greased properly but don't worry I am sure some clown is working on it as week speak. Those juice public sector contracts are prime time for corruption.
If you need teleconferencing with screen share I highly recommend Jitsi. Easy to set up, pretty low system requirements, and open source.
rustdesk too!
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Including enterprise calls? Lots of companies use this for client calls etc....
Ya, I'm gonna have to see if we need to blacklist this for our org now. That's not gonna be popular.
My huge corporation banned us from ever using it ever. They were iffy on it before, so previously we were only allowed to use it if we don't handle any sensitive data, but now we aren't allowed even have it be installed, they don't trust any of it
Impressive. I know many corps still use Leveno laptops even though they got caught putting spyware in their firmware.
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I use Jitsi professionally. Never had a problem. I send a link over and they hop on via the web interface and get it working quickly without prior knowledge of the platform. Oh ya, minor detail: it's FOSS.
Not sure if they have only just added a clarification, but it now says
Notwithstanding the above, Zoom will not use audio, video or chat Customer Content to train our artificial intelligence models without your consent.
Which seems to imply that by agreeing to their TOS, you are giving consent for them to use this.
THIS! When I read Zoom's response to the tweet that was the focus of this original post, my initial thought was "...but you are having them agree to terms without an opt-out"
Doesn't it also call out that any recordings are fair game
Zoom’s about to try and claim their click through EULA trumps client-attorney privilege. Let’s see how that goes for them.
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Zoom got on the map because of covid and now that that's over and working from home isn't as popular as it was a couple years ago they need to figure out another way to make money, looks like they are selling customers data to do so.
Zoom isn't even allowing their employees to be remote anymore !
Fuck ze plebs! They zoom from office!
The hypocrisy
Well, being a slave master aint easy
They got on the map because they were easier to use, which was a reputation earned by doing things like hijacking pre-install verification scripts to install it, running an always on and non-uninstallable server on your computer without you knowing, so it could access your webcam without needing to open the app, faking system prompts to get your root password...
Then there was lying about end to end encryption being enabled, and sending the unencrypted traffic to China for no discernable reason
Zoom is just a shitty company that has never been on the right side of user privacy. They'll do anything to make a buck.
So, they're recording and stealing our corporate secrets, etc? That's going to go down well.
So, I suppose this means the end for Zoom use in business, no company is going to allow their intellectual property and secrets to be used by another company, especially what is essentially just their telephone call provider.
How zoom managed to become a thing, while alternatives already existed and were rather well known is beyond me.
What were the alternatives? One thing I can say about zoom is that it’s easy to use, barely ever has any issues and handles a huge number of participants without a sweat.
I recall having used MS Teams before. But it often wouldn’t work, had server issues and couldn’t handle large audiences well.
Gotomeeting, WebEx, bluejeans.
I was using WebEx for the longest time and our company switched to zoom. I recall that it was only for price and that there was a lot of missing functions that our team was used to.
Skype, hangouts, discord.
I don’t see those as alternatives. Skype was always really buggy, sometimes it worked, other times it didn’t. Didn’t have great cross platform support and wasn’t suited for meetings without 500 - 1000 people. I used it in the past and it was always a huge pain to deal with.
Hangouts is nice for 1:1 chats, but it feels lacking. Last time I tried to have a screen share in a separate window it already failed to do so.
Discord isn’t really an enterprise tool.
Like… I don’t really want to defend Zoom, but the one thing they do just works.
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None has enough functionality.
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I think it was because they were the only platform that supported meetings with thousands of participants. This became very important during the pandemic, but now that we are over it, they are circling the drain.
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Remember when everyone was buying zoom stocks?
That's not creepy/scary AF
When they says “recording” do they mean any video chat you have or only those you record and save?
Title probably needs to be reworded. Terms clearly mention they won't use it without user consent, not that they MUST use it. Doesn't mean it'll stay that way, but just don't consent for it when asked and you're probably okay (I'm mentioning this for those who have no choice but to use it, for things like work)
But if you don’t consent, do they still let you use their services? I’m going to bet that, at best, it’ll be designed to make users think they must consent to use the service.
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What does consent consist of? Most other TOS state that using the product means you consent to whatever is included in the TOS.
So don’t agree to the terms of service? This could count as consent.
They're backtracking guys. Trust?
Never. They'll just try again later with different and more obtuse wording.
Fuck my company. All the shitty companies cut IT workers and because of that they have to rely on microsoft and zoom.
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