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[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think it's time to go back to the old ways of striking, back when workers would take up arms against the company and get in shootouts with private security. If they don't want to play by the rules they made as a way to get workers to not take up arms, then what is stopping us from just not playing by the rules either?

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

Exactly. “Rules” only exist for the working people. The rich have never had any rules, so they’ve kept taking more and more, and now it’s feeling pretty brink-y out there. There is more power in a general strike, but we can’t even get half the country to agree what the ocean is called anymore, so smaller scale guerilla tactics may prove more effective leverage.

[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Difference is the police now have modern military equipment, from mass surveillance to literal tanks. General strike is the answer. My last union agreed to never strike.

[–] DeusUmbra@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You forget, the police are cowards. Remember Uvadale Texas? One man with a gun and none of them would even get close. Now imagine 100 men with guns, the cops won't even bother to show up.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

workers can't count on just that if they decide to escalate to armed confrontation. no capitalist will give things up just that easily esp. when firearms enter the picture. they called the army on la latinos for less.

and yeah the other guy is right in that us police is extra militarized and the surveillance state can shut people up individually, you have that extra disadvantage to consider.

you'd need to be deliberate as fuck and know exactly what you are doing.

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

theres a game that came out recently, its taught people a lot about risk vs reward.

its called Dune Awakening.(i know, LET ME FINISH)

the game right now is relatively good except for one major issue. end game content has split the player base.

i wont over explain it, but the end game was intended to be almost entirely PvP based. which ended up with zergs taking advantage of PVE players who entered the end game location known as the deep desert. they would attack them, and block them from end game content, controlling all the resources. eventually enough people complained that the devs split the deep desert location, half PVE, and half PVP.

the main complaints from this change came from the PVP minded zerg guilds (established guilds that outnumber and outgun solos and smaller guilds and thus dominate the server)

their main complaint was that due to this change, PVE players had a better chance of getting similar resources with less risk, albeit at a slower rate if they wanted to mine them in the PVE side. denser clusters of resources were in the PVP area, condensing the risk vs reward structure. so, now that the PVE players had a better chance of establishing themselves in the deep desert, and arming themselves to a similar tier point, the zergs were pissed because that meant that there were co op minded people who would be equally well equipped mentally and in terms of hardware to handle the DD and to compete for the PVP side resources.

the zergs wanted easy pickins. they wanted to bomb ill equipped noobs one by one, and not give them the chance to establish themselves. when they understood that they could no longer pick on them like before, and that PVP would essentially become a more consentual endevour with better equipped players who would fight harder in mutual combat. they simply left the game.

it became a lot more peaceful, and the once meak PVE players began organizing and banding together to defend one another whenever zergs or griefers started acting up against solo players and PVE farmers. at least currently in this state of the game.

if the protestors are armed, and there were thousands of them, even millions. the police and the military will be present, but will keep their distance for fear of losing their lives. they will no longer have the upper hand, they have to reasses the risk, vs the reward. no longer will we have to depend on them having a moral compass, or moral life changing catharsis about how they "earn" a pension, paid for by the people they subjugate and abuse.

they will think twice about escalation. and many of them, the cowards who thought they could just show up, bully, beat, kidnap, kill, and rob people with ease and "legal justification" will leave. they will have second thoughts when they realize that they have just as much of a chance of losing their lives as the people they abuse do.

and thats when its not fun to play anymore, thats when they put the sticks down, and find something else to do to feel big and strong. maybe theyll start a podcast and sell supplements to teenage boys and lie about the details of their prior service, who gives a fuck.

the people need to organize and arm themselves. the moral high road is a propagandists wet dream of the self subjugation of the people. peaceful protesters have their place, but when general strikes are met with force, in every form. there has to be a reverberation of will and action, or "the beatings will continue until moral improves"

the germans didnt revolt and save themselves from fascism en mass. they were on average either too brainwashed, or too afraid, and that cost the world millions of lives.

we record history so we learn from it. we can change the future. because of it.

its not as cut and dry as i make it sound. they will likely apply pressure, kidnap leaders, designate protestors as terrorists, etc, etc. but the people will see the message. the message is that the united states has a second amendment for a reason, and it also has the most heavily armed civilian population on the planet. while protestors have the ability to defend themselves, others will rise up and work in cells to attack those responsible. protesting is all about sending a message. if the message "you can bully us and the most we'll do is not show up for work and tweet angry tweets" then thats essentially giving up and waiting for a make believe super hero to save the day so you can go back to watching netlfix and pretending climate change wont effect you in your lifetime. (it already is)

nobody is coming to save the united states. nobody.

you have to save yourselves. and its going to be hard, and violent, and dark. but in the end, there are far more of you than there are billionaires and their lackeys.

there are also police officers, and vets that will side with you. there are also former MAGAts that will side with you. the longer this shit goes on, the more they will defect.

the nazis changed their colours as soon as it wasnt safe to fly them, as soon as the shine tarnished on their little badges. for good or bad reasons, they went underground where they belong. some woke up and threw away their ideals and lived better lives, learning from theur mistakes and teaching others to be better than they were,, and others quietly festered in their old ways and passed them on to future fascists. waiting for the right time to strike.

this is the result of letting fascists feel safe enough to be fascists.

so the answer is very simple.

make it unsafe to be a fascist, everywhere. all over the world. forever. like fascist whack a mole. we just have to smack their little heads back down in their greasy little holes every time they pop up for air. with the biggest mallet we can find.

and if you think its scary to fight for your freedom. it is. it always will be terrifying to stand up to bullies. fascists. and the overwhelming odds stacked against you. but their power comes from your fear.

and so ill leave you with a quote.

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i fundamentally agree with what you are saying, but what you are saying is very easy said. the working class are not a binary that's either armed to the teeth, or meek and weak.

see, i'm not arguing against fighting against the system or something. just that working towards a state of affairs where we are all prepared for a general strike, or an armed uprising is not a trivial task. i'm arguing for actually knowing the politics and tactics well so we don't just die and suffer like idiots. because we will get killed if we underestimate the power of oligarchs and the state they control.

we have to know the nitty gritty of what the police is prepared for, how they are armed and how they work in different situations, we have to know how the system is set up to escalate the class struggle, how they are gonna try and wrestle public perception of the struggle using the media so we can't recruit easily, how they will be rewriting laws to fuck us over and exactly how to respond, how they will go after us individually, or whether or not they are ready to persecute and assassinate leaders.

that means more than just vibes, we have to study the people and leaders that participated and made such fight possible. read some of the stuff by malcolm x, marx, lenin, parenti and more. actually study syndicalism and our side's politics. they help contextualize it and understand it more deeply. and more importantly, they helped build it up and participated hands on as leaders militants and socialists. learn how the syndicalist movements in the early 20th century helped you pressure for the new deal, and why. learn how the same movements helped cement the 8-hour workday or our right to rest for a couple of days a week even earlier in the 19th century.

and notice its serious fucking business that can fuck us over and kill us en masse if we make mistakes because going against the state is not a walk in the park. but also it can open up a world of possibilities where our lives and that of our children are much more comfortable and real actual change is actually possible.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 1 week ago

In the 1890s, the literally shot striking workers. They’ll do it again if they can push the Overton window far enough. Fight back.