Ubuntu is just Debian with extra steps.... and snaps
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Which is reason enough to go with Debian (I have an unreasonable issue with snaps).
yeah, snaps.... they should have just gone with appimage I don't like them either, but at least we can all settle on one bag of pain.
This is seriously a hot take
Use whatever the fuck you want, you fucking weirdo cultists.
This. I'd better use windows then listen to another round of debate Ubuntu vs Arch..
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I use arch btw
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I read it as clits. Just saying.
What other than what you just said are you "just saying"?
If you're a programmer: NixOS.
Define your OS config, which programs to install, and dotfiles in one repo. Install a fresh OS, pull in the repo (nix-shell -p git, because NixOS doesn't come with git >_> ) and run the command to install the whole thing (sudo nixos-rebuild switch --flake .#wodan for me. wodan is just the name of a config - I have multiple all combines into one repo, so I can share configuration between machines).
Took me 17 minutes to set up my laptop exactly the same as my Desktop. Same configuration, applications, and OS settings. It's so fucking nice.
With Windows, that used to take 2 days to download and install everything manually.
Only downside: You'll need to learn Nix-the-language, nix-the-os, and nix-the-terminal-program, which took about a month of deeply digging into the Vimjoyer and LibrePhoenix channels.
Debian since 1998. No reason to change.
that should be their mission statement.
Use Debian. No good reason to change.
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Debian gaming wasn't great when a lot of the landscape was changing (around 2016?) and even one of my very Debian friendly colleagues switched his gaming machine to Arch back then because getting the new stuff like AMD Vulkan drivers and DXVK running was really hard on Debian. Don't think he migrated that particular machine back since then.
I've always enjoyed the tinkering. My gaming habits pretty much grew up with WINE. DXVK was very exciting!
Never been a stranger to compiling my own kernel or mucking about with DLL overrides.
The thing is, back then, for the stuff to work on Debian, you needed to
- compile your own newer kernel
- compile the new mesa that depended on that kernel
and with how frequent updates were, this was something you'd probably do multiple times per month β at this point, why bother with Debian when you need to compile all the packages yourself? Remember that was a gaming machineβ¦ so why bother with Debian and spend hours each month when with Arch, it was just a pacman -Syu followed by a reboot and you could try out all that fancy new stuff?
That really was not my experience. I didn't game much. WoW mostly. Some StarCraft. Minecraft. Online games. Debian unstable worked fine and I don't think I had to compile my own kernel (for gaming) at any point past 2005 or so.
The discussion was implicitly around the changes brought by Vulkan and DXVK which enabled playing Windows Direct3D (this part is important) 11 and later 9 games without performance penalty. You could previously play Windows Direct3D 9 titles using Gallium Nine if you had an AMD card, though this was a bit iffy.
WoW mostly.
That's OpenGL, so not affected.
Some StarCraft.
Not 3D even.
Minecraft.
Neither Windows nor Direct3D, but Java with OpenGL.
True, if all the games you played were OpenGL-accelerated, these changes didn't matter. But about 95% of games on the market weren't.
I'm glad you're here to tell me how my experience the last 30 years was. Thank you for enlightening me as to how my choices were wrong and how I was silently suffering.
I gamed on Debian. I was so wrong.
Not sure how you can read my comment that way, but you do you.
Consider not responding with all the reasons someone's lived experience is impossible in future.
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Just checked my Mint. Why Cinnamon uses so much VRAM? I have over 1GB idle, without anything running. In my Windows i usually have 400Mb with all things closed.
I remember this site
https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
But honestly, although I can't check it, 1GB idle is still far more ram than what I get idle, so you might have some weird program auto-starting and actually eating your ram.
RAM is ok, i have plenty of it. VRAM (Video RAM) is the problem. The RAM of the GPU, used for showing graphics, UI etc.
Oof sorry my bad lol
Ubuntu sucks
You choose the worst option
It's not that bad but I feel like fedora's probably a better option
Installed 24.04 this week. On the second day my graphical interface was completely borked. Bare in mind I only installed the usual things I need like neovim, appimage support, compilers, etc.
I've used the same installation of Arch, Fedora and Suse on different machines for years in a row without an issue
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This is crazy. You shouldnβt use Ubuntu for anything desktop related. Thereβs nothing vanilla about vanilla Ubuntu.
(Custom Gnome extensions, patches on top of Gnome, custom sandbox packages that donβt always work, custom apt that refuses to install the real packages in place of snaps, paywalled security patches, should I keep going?)
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anything but Ubuntu tbh.
I won't use Ubuntu Desktop now, but I used it for 6 years: 16 to 22, and loved it for many reasons. I left it for two reasons:
- Snaps
- Trying to get bridged networking going for VMs in Boxes ended up wrecking my network settings and I couldn't get them back to normal. With more expertise I could have probably fixed it, but I realised it's too easy to do things that I can't fix.
So, I went to NixOS for the declarative setup. It's not always easy especially for niche cases , but at least I always have a working backup. Yes, there are other options, but I like NixOS so I plan to stick with it for now.
My kids use Bazzite and I like that too.
I actually wanted to run Ubuntu and then Fedora, but they both kept breaking out of nowhere. I don't know get why people have a more stable experience than I do with these, I don't even fucking tinker and fuck with shit.
Um, acktually some of us went from vanilla Debian to Nobara to vanilla Debian.
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Fedora on the right tbh. Even when you chill and get wisdom Canonical and Snap are just a bit too far.
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Kubuntu for modern systems, Xubuntu for older systems, Lubuntu for older, low-end systems with limited RAM, Ubuntu server for headless servers.
Stay mad, Ubuntu haters.
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