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I joined a business someone started, personally invested $200k, and forwent income for a year. This is after leaving a prestigious finance job after 5-6 years in the industry and quitting a senior role at a Fintech.

Company's sales is flat, and it's running out of money. If this doesn't work out, I'm a guy who quit the previous start-up (not doing very well rn) after 1 year, blew money, and joined another one that's also not doing well.

I feel like I'm not employable and that maybe my judgment is poor. Has anyone experienced or gone through this?

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[–] Swimming_Radish_Fish@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Embrace failure as a teacher, not a verdict. Mistakes refine judgment; setbacks build resilience :)

[–] brianl047@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

So you're Bezos but the failure version. That's fine. Startup success rate is a very low percentage.

You should have joined an accelerator, used slicing pie model and used someone else's money. One of the rules is to always use someone else's money or to bootstrap with a tiny amount of money.

Also it's possible you're not a failure. But you probably already failed. You should embrace that. As for employability that's bullshit. Suppose it's true that entrepreneurs or founders face more challenges than others when finding a job and that you need a job. You can remove almost all of that from your LinkedIn except your work history. If someone asks you can say you were a cofounder for one year but spent $200k or $300k on a failed venture and need to work now to pay bills. I think that's the middle ground between going full blown entrepreneur (which might signal that you will run to do it again) and leaving it out completely. You got it out of your system and you're ready to go back to work. In other words telling the truth gets you the furthest. It's possible no one asks at all and no one cares unless you make it a big deal.

Another option is to do the accelerator route again and this time spend no money of your own. I would seriously consider that before throwing in the towel. All the lessons you learned can be applied. Then you can feel you gave it a shot.

[–] nmsfr@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

A lot of startups are struggling, you're not alone. It's almost on a daily basis now that I see someone announcing they're winding down operations on LinkedIn.

Startups are frickin' hard and most people within the industry know it. It's uncommon to see profiles where every start-up was a raging success. But the learnings from these will probably help you speed up/get to PMF / pivot when needed faster as you progress.

Worked with a few myself as well, some faired better, some worse, and I have learned that many startups have "exits" which often cannot even be described as a win truly.

If you still have the energy and motivation to go through it I wouldn't worry about the background. Past business experience is always useful for new teams, even if the businesses ended up not making it.

[–] shaqule_brk@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I have. I got the offer of a ~1% share of a company I worked for in exchange for my overtime payout, and turned them down. Joke's on me. I left some half-year later or so, and the product I built for them worked so good and reliable that they could successfully scale up. Being honest, at the time I gave that company 50:50 of crashing vs. succeeding, because I thought it might as well go south for reasons beyond my control. They are quite healthy still and growing, so I made a bad coin flip on this one as it would have been a share nice-to-have.

Don't beat yourself up over failure like this. Figure out what's inside your control and what's outside of your control, and take ownership over what you can do.

Everything outside of that, it's always good to seek council. You must have someone with a law-degree in your circle, right? Perhaps friends or family you can trust? Talk to them, and ask for guidance. I found that lawyers make excellent dialogue partners when it comes to situations like that. I didn't do that. If I had talked to literally anybody about it, who knows what could have been negotiated instead.

Perhaps there is something you can do to turn it around. Like they say, a chip and a chair. You still got that. You're not out of business yet.

Hope this helps to lift your mood a bit!

[–] admax3000@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you worked before, you have some value in the previous company. You can always go back.

Truth is business is not for everyone. There is a steep learning curve and you need resilience for it.

Take some time away. Reflect on what you could have done better. Go back to a job. Build confidence. And come back again when you’re ready.

There are always opportunities. Only question is whether you’re ready for them.

[–] anything-will-work-@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Another guy who got FOMOed by some "entrepreneur" tiktok.

If you got a good prestigious job making you good money, stick to that. You'll have a better chance of retiring with a few millions there than in business.

[–] MaxxStrokes@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Given the amount of capital invested, unless they have multiple investment streams take control of what you can and if it’s a loss leader drop it before you lose more. As long as you have a story and have worked hard despite circumstances you are employable and a lot of employers love entrepreneurial spirit if you plan to work for someone again.

[–] Simon_Small@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think part of the fear is across a few areas: 1) you fear losing the money; 2) you fear you won’t get a job; 3) you fear you have wasted time; 4) you fear the sequence of startup experiences pain a picture of you as a failure; 5) you fear this company won’t be successful (sales are flat).

  1. the money is gone. It’s not coming back. There is nothing to fear. It just is what it is. Can’t do anything about it now.
  2. the only way you could have wasted time was if you spent it doing destructive things instead of productive things. You don’t know what you have prepared yourself for so you have not wasted time. You banked time moving things forward, learning fast, adapting. Nothing wasted.
  3. the job thing is an illusion. It is super easy to sell yourself in your CV and your job. Have the best stories when someone says “why did you leave that job?” You will fly though - people live risk takers.
  4. same as 2 - just work out the narrative and some key annecdotal stories and you will be fine. Dust yourself off. Ask ChatGPT for some help and learn to present yourself strongly and own your experience.
  5. this company is not dead. If it is sales you need, then all hands to the pump. I have been at rock bottom with a company and within a couple of years it became a juggernaut and today it is worth $7bn. It ain’t over yet.

Big part is you owning your fear and then figuring out how to cut through despite that fear being present.

Appreciate the post - I think we all get something from an authentic post like this.

[–] LawScuulJuul@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for this. I’m dealing with similar fears and this is really helpful. It’s easy to fall into a default fear-driven mindset, almost subconsciously. Sometimes feels pretty hopeless. Thanks.

[–] Simon_Small@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Glad you found it useful. If you can isolate money and time fears into separate tracks and deal with them independent of one another, then it is easier to then deal with what’s left over…. That’s what I have found…

[–] LawScuulJuul@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for this. I’m dealing with similar fears and this is really helpful. It’s easy to fall into a default fear-driven mindset, almost subconsciously. Sometimes feels pretty hopeless. Thanks.

[–] Firendly_Bird@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

You are not scared of failure you are scared of people's judgment because when you are alone playing video games , you'r fin when you lose , you just try again

[–] footfall99@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Being an entrepreneur may not be for you, unfortunately. As an entrepreneur, you come to know failure well...as it's all about failing, learning from it, and improving. There is no magic guide to success...we all fail until we don't.

[–] Katz-r-Klingonz@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Fear is real for most. But not for entrepreneurs. Only thing real entrepreneurs see is opportunity. If you can’t get out of that fearful mindset, you may want to cut your losses.

[–] bradgardner@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I’d happily employ someone who had the guts to do all of that, success or fail, that’s a mountain of experience to apply going forward.

Anyone who couldn’t see that is someone you probably don’t want to work for, so I don’t think unemployable is fair.

The more interesting story to me is what you’re doing in the meantime to fix sales in short order. Win or lose that’ll be incredibly valuable additional experience.

[–] ChasingTheRush@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Failure is glorious, homie. Embrace it, learn from it. Hardwire the lessons into your brain and don’t repeat them. But failure is a part of entrepreneurship.

[–] thekidiii@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I had a similar path. Left a 6 figure job to start my own business. Ran the business for 3 years it was profitable but I never got back to 6 figures and got burnt out. Sold what I could of the business about 2 years ago and transitioned back into the corporate world.

I foolishly thought my experience would translate to corporate environment and get a great job, it did not. With that being said I do not regret trying and you should not either. I still miss running my business and will definitely give it a go again. You should feel good about the experience and lessons you learned most people do not have that. It takes time but after 2 years in the corporate world I consider myself back to a respectable place job title and salary.

You are not unemployable, nor will anyone judge you. Most people will actually be jealous you tried something. The hardest part about the transition is getting that job back in corporate. I would rely solely on your network, your resume is not going to do well in large portals with a lot of candidates (this was my experience). And make a point in every interview to really drill down the point that this is what you want to do with your next career move. I found a lot of interviewers would ask questions about "do you want to start another business". I do but not for a couple years. Good luck you'll be fine.

[–] cal2nage@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I wanna network, have lots of experience in sales, I use AI a lot currently. Anyone looking to network here

[–] User1542x@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Learn from it and move forward. Big part of success is how you learn from failure and have the resiliency to move forward.

It’s happen to me, big and small failures, almost on an annual basis, but got to a point that the successes and risks outweigh the failures.

Turn that fear into positive action.

[–] TeamGravityAnalytica@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Judgment is one of those things you gain through failure. Success without failure is called luck.

[–] CaregiverNo1229@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Failure is a good thing. All successful people have previously failed myself included. Take it as a learning experience which it always is and move on. If you had a senior role at a fintech, there’s no way your are unemployable. Take some time learn from the experience and make your decision. If it’s time to go then do it

[–] CaregiverNo1229@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Failure is a good thing. All successful people have previously failed myself included. Take it as a learning experience which it always is and move on. If you had a senior role at a fintech, there’s no way your are unemployable. Take some time learn from the experience and make your decision. If it’s time to go then do it

[–] Calm-Fisherman333@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Happened to me as well. Quit a well paying job to partner with a family member and it essentially bankrupt me. Expensive lessons were learned lol. Just bounce back man. You have the knowledge and experience to land another job. Try again later.

[–] Calm-Fisherman333@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Happened to me as well. Quit a well paying job to partner with a family member and it essentially bankrupt me. Expensive lessons were learned lol. Just bounce back man. You have the knowledge and experience to land another job. Try again later.

[–] CoachZealousideal332@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you're afraid of failure and don't take risks enough, you'll never succeed

[–] Nearby-Buffalo-6829@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Jumping from finance to startups is a big leap, and hitting a few snags doesn't mean you've lost your touch. Hang in there, your journey's packed with valuable lessons that'll help in whatever comes next. https://www.cuppa.so/post/turning-your-big-idea-into-a-reality

[–] CoachZealousideal332@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

If you're afraid of failure and don't take risks enough, you'll never succeed

[–] Nearby-Buffalo-6829@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Jumping from finance to startups is a big leap, and hitting a few snags doesn't mean you've lost your touch. Hang in there, your journey's packed with valuable lessons that'll help in whatever comes next. https://www.cuppa.so/post/turning-your-big-idea-into-a-reality

[–] Traditional_Mix68@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

No money wasted as long as you learned. I joined a pyramid scheme and got scammed when I was younger and 2 years later I actually have applied some of their marketing strategies and have seen a great return.

[–] Traditional_Mix68@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

No money wasted as long as you learned. I joined a pyramid scheme and got scammed when I was younger and 2 years later I actually have applied some of their marketing strategies and have seen a great return.

[–] Arin_azo@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Man you are doing great I myself is dealing from something similar. I left a named college just start something of my own its just 20 days from start . It feels like i have done something wrong with myself as now i see people around me growing. As i haven't got sales yet i started to question my decision. My inner self knows i can do it so do i believe your inner self too.just listen to your heart ❤️

[–] DimensionCharming808@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I am good at the failing part and bad at the financial part.

We need a CFO.

#BLESS

[–] Focus_Forge@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I would argue that your experience gained during the time at both startups is actually very valuable. If you want to talk to people about poor judgement, just look for about any angel investor or early seed investors. At that level it's pretty hit or miss. What have you learned from your experiences? Are there mistakes you wouldn't want to repeat or advice you'd give to a younger entrepreneur?

I know it can be stressful and miserable to watch a business flop, but at the same time my hot take is I'd still be a part of that than work a boring 9 to 5 for some corporate machine. I haven't ever invested significant money into a startup that wasn't my own, but I did work for a small startup my freshman year of college. It was so frustrating to watch the founders make stupid decisions. They leased a space that was way too big for what we needed, restructured pay at least 3 times my first year with them, and so many other silly mistakes. Even though I quit after 2 years because I was tired of the constant changes and leadership issues, I wouldn't trade that experience for anything! It's easy for me to say since I don't have any skin in the game, but don't be discouraged. I would hope that after your time at these startups you have some good memories and friendships. Now can be a good time to re-evaluate where you're at, what expenses need to be paid for, and the most realistic way you can make those expenses. Best of luck!

[–] Wiserlul@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

Looking at the bright side, at least you had the chance/choice to make it big and you took it. I dont even have $200k and I might not even have the courage even though I wanted to make it big.

[–] MywhyApparel@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

God didn’t give us a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. It’s okay to feel that way but don’t let it define you!

[–] hazan0608@alien.top 1 points 10 months ago

I’m seeing a lot of ego talk, if this business doesn’t workout it’ll be okay… I’ve never heard someone put another person down for trying to launch a business.