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Like the title says, I'm new to self hosting world. πŸ˜€ while I was researching, I found out that many people dissuaded me to self host email server. Just too complicated and hard to manage. What other services that you think we should just go use the currently available providers in the market and why? πŸ™‚thank you

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[–] fourstepper@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I try to NOT self-host any service that:

  1. Is open-source and provides a hosted solution
  2. Doesn't have some technical/price requirement (like a media library/photo library where you pay per GB) to use the mentioned hosted version
    • if this is the case, I donate to the project I'm using instead
[–] Simplixt@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Do you have an example?

"Open Source + hosted" always involves trust, as you can only look into the Github repository, not if the running hosted application is running identically.

Only exception: It's an E2EE encrypted solution, and everything else happens client-side (example: Bitwarden)

[–] fourstepper@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, you do have to have some trust in such services. Some of the ones I use:

  1. Miniflux for RSS
  2. Migadu for e-mail and calendar
  3. Signal for messaging
  4. Mastodon for, well, Mastodon
  5. GitHub for Git hosting and CI/CD
  6. Bitwarden that you've mentioned I also buy hosted

Read my reasoning here, if interested

[–] amarao_san@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Self-hosted internet is pain in the ass. Cellular services too.

[–] ProbablePenguin@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

My benchmark is kinda "how annoying or disruptive would it be if it broke and I didn't feel like fixing it for a few days"

So email for example, I could selfhost, but I'd rather just have someone else do it so I don't have to worry about it.

[–] random74639@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] ShellDude01@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Smtp isn't that bad so long as you ensure you're not operating an open relay.

Really bad stuff will happen once exploited and it will take major work on your part to undo ranging from getting removed from block lists like XBL to possibly having to renegotiate your ISP contract if they have to get involved.

[–] sangfoudre@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

While mail is definitely doable, imho it's not worth the hassle, you'll always have to maintain it, that's definitely not a launch and forget solution.

[–] bzImage@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

| Just too complicated and hard to manage.

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lol.. and now its easy.. i remember doing m4 macros for sendmail, now with postfix its easier than ever.

dont host anything you cant properly secure.

[–] Ostracus@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago
[–] pyromaster114@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Yea, Email is a big one... it'd be kind of pointless, because the person on the other end is NOT using a self-hosted solution, odds are, and it would be a ton of work to maintain, etc., and likely less reliable.

I wouldn't self-host my voicemail server, most likely, either. :P Just no point.

[–] roboticfoxdeer@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Email. It sounds good on paper until you realize basically every email service on earth either marks you as spam or blocks you completely

[–] grobouletdu33@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Mail server, too many troubles related to domaine name blocking/ban, good for internal network/VPN use but not for anything serious

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