"Well clearly we need more guns in our military bases..."
- Politicians who want to arm teachers.
this post was submitted on 06 Aug 2025
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Never understood why Republicans think issuing guns to teachers is a good idea. Letting teachers conceal carry if they want to? Now that's something I think could work. Provided the teachers get some sort of extra certification that proves they're extra responsible and not a nut.
Most teachers are amazing people that I trust completely. I still don't want them to be carrying guns around my kids. For one, there's always the remote possibility that the teacher flips out and uses it in anger on a student or another faculty. Secondly there's the possibility that a student gets their hands on it. The bad things that might happen are far more likely than the slim chance of an active shooter showing up and a teacher actually being able to stop them.
Oh I agree, children are more likely to be killed by lightening then a suicidal person hellbent on taking others with them. There's a reason the news media gleefully shove those events in our faces, they're incredibly rare. The way I personally see it, a teacher is already trusted spend a lot of time with children. And a person with a concealed carry license is trusted, and routinely vetted, to carry a gun at the grocery store or bank or whatever. Not only that, concealed carriers are less likely to commit a crime than cops. If someone is both a teacher and a licensed concealed carrier, and is willing to spend their own time and money proving that they're extra responsible and of sound mind, why not give them the option to take their pistol out of their parked car and keep it on their person while at school? Make a system where individual teachers have to continuously prove they're responsible enough to be trusted with a pistol on school. That would most likely weed out a lot of teachers.
We already "trust" police departments to make one of their least competent cops stand around a school all day with a gun.
a person with a concealed carry license is trusted, and routinely vetted, to carry a gun at the grocery store or bank or whatever.
I'm not sure where you live, but in my state the requirements for a CCW are ridiculously low. Literally anyone who can legally own a firearm can get one. You don't need to have any training at all. You just have to pass a background check and pay a fee. There is no "routine vetting".
Not only that, concealed carriers are less likely to commit a crime than cops.
I'd love a source for that. I know it's true that, statistically CCW holders are less likely to commit a crime than the general population. However, it's also true that there are thousands of documented cases of CCW holders using their weapon for murder or suicide (or both) rather than self defense over the last two decades: https://concealedcarrykillers.org/
There is no comprehensive list of instances where a CCW holder actually used their weapon in defense, so we really don't know what the statistics say about likelihood.
Looks like "if everybody was armed it could be prevented" doesn't work all that well, who could have known...
More than most soldiers on base aren't allowed to carry weapons, they weren't armed. You think they all had guns but resorted to tackling him for fun?
Huh, that's weird... So it's safe for everyone to concealed carry in our cities and neighborhoods, but not on military bases?
Weird.
Most soldiers are too young to conceal carry. Also, the federal government doesn't let anyone conceal carry on it's properties, with the only exception being outdoor recreation areas like National Forests or Parks.
Also, the federal government doesn't let anyone conceal carry on it's properties, with the only exception being outdoor recreation areas like National Forests or Parks.
I'm aware, I think it's just interesting that this is the case on military bases, which you'd think would have the potential to be the safest places to be in the country, based on the arguments of 2a folks.
More guns means more safe, right? Then why wouldn't they allow them to carry on base?
Most soldiers are too young. And military personnel technically can conceal carry on base, but it need's the base commander's approval. So it is effectively banned. Why? The military as a whole is incredibly (and paradoxically) risk averse. You have to wear your 3-5lb ballistic helmet when you're driving a tactical vehicle, even if you're just driving it to a different parking spot 10 feet over because Sergeant Major thinks it looks better over there. Amongst the officers and leadership, it's a very big CYA culture. If one soldier dies by suicide on base with their personal firearm, well their answer is to just ban guns on base. Don't need to increase access to mental health providers, that costs money. Now it's not the DoD's fault someone got shot, we don't let them have guns. A Marine rapes someone? We'll ban all Marines from going off base, and make them all watch a PowerPoint on why rape is bad. Can't be the DoD's fault, we told them rape is bad. Oh there was a DUI on base that resulted in a bunch of death's? Not the DoD's fault, we said they can't drink on base. A bunch of soldier's died in a flash flood, knowing there was an imminent storm on this area known for flash floods? Oh that can't be the DoD's fault for making them train anyway, the now dead sergeant should have checked the base's weather page that nobody knows about. It really doesn't matter if servicemembers die or get hurt, as long as the officer's in charged covered their ass.
If you still check out reddit, go check out /r/military, /r/army, or any of their US military focused sub's. You'll see complaints of leadership doing this kind of CYA, bare minimum bullshit over and over instead of actually fixing the problems.
TL;DR The head honchos in the US military don't care whether or not conceal carry on base has the potential to make things safer. They just don't want to look bad and get a black mark on their file.
Yall keep saying soldiers are too young to carry guns. Then why the fuck are they allowed to be soldiers??
In most states you have to be over 21 if you want to conceal carry a pistol.
The same reason most gun control explicitly excludes cops from having to follow the law.
If an army base cannot stop this, what can possibly be expected from a kindergarten school?
the shooter was Sgt. Quornelius Radford, 28, who used a personal handgun, not a military firearm.
Well thank god they clarified that bit so I can sleep tonight.
Rude of him
If an army base cannot stop this, what can possibly be expected from a kindergarten school?
Ban guns in the US
Soldiers are people to. They have the same potential to go postal as everybody else. They probably also have less access to mental healthcare due to stigma in the profession.