He was considered the GOAT by tons of people after the first one.
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Would LeBron universally be considered the GOAT now given the same career?
When you have Larry Bird and Magic Johnson saying they've never seen a guy like MJ, even when he hadn't yet won a championship (in Bird's case), then he's automatically contending as the elite of all elites. The rings just seal the deal.
"tons of people" = your uncles' uncles in Chicago
I think hypothetical rankings are my new least favorite thing from this sub
Because it makes you uncomfortable realizing that a lot of a player’s legacy is outside of their control?
Because I find the obsession with ranking players annoying in general and now we’re doing it for a players hypothetical career in made up scenarios. That’s dumb
No because making up “what if this person had these accolades or didn’t” is a dumb waste of time since we have a hard enough time agreeing on what they DID do.
You take a non-scientific subjective process and add MORE subjectivity to it. How is this fun for you guys? The answer is whatever you want it to be based on what you’re changing their stats too. Want them to be seen more favorably? Make up accolades, less favorably, what if they didn’t do the things we watched them do?
Maybe get a hobby instead….
Making hypotheticals about team-based accolades can make it easier to recognize individual impact.
The fact you’re trying to say it’s a pointless thought exercise just proves how much of your ranking of players is based off the singular results we have to go off of.
Ok name the 100% agreed upon top ten so we can pull away accolades and keep this entire thing in order.
Oh there isn’t one?
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
Because it's such a massive hypothetical and so many scenarios can play out and you can surely come to your preferred conclusion by applying some far fetched assumption. I highly doubt it wi go that way but someone can make a reach for it.
No clue how things play out in a situation like this.
It begs the question of where Curry would rank all time if he leaves the Warriors to join a contender and three-peats. Surely that would hypothetically rank him above hypothetical 2 ring Jordan and hypothetical 1 ring LeBron.
Are you trying to say that LeBron hitting 40k points will be the next Y2K moment in world history, homeskillet?
Some people hate “what if” questions and others love them.
Where would this sub rank if hypotheticals didn’t exist?
He’d be sitting around Hakeem, Wilt, Curry, Dr J tier of players. Maybe higher bcos of his crazy scoring stats
Ben Taylor has Hakeem at #5, Wilt about #9 and Curry and Dr J in the late-teens, I believe-ish. Ben has KG (1-1 in the Finals) tied with Duncan for #7-8. I think he has Shaq at #6. MJ going something 1-1 in the Finals would put him in that #5 Hakeem territory... although I would love to live in a world where the debate would still be MJ vs LeBron for the GOAT spot even if one or both only had 1 ring
Bald Demar Derozan with a gambling addiction
The Bulls were 61-21 in 1991 and 65-17 in 1992. They coasted in 1993.
Then they coast again in 1994...
Crazy that LeBron won 66 games in 09 tho with THAT team! LeBron WAS NOT COASTING in 2009, I promise you that Coast God!
And lost to the Orlando Magic
Question: where would I rank all time if I were 7 feet, won 20 rings, but murdered two homeless people for the thrill of it?
You would rank as Republican vice presidential nominee
He’d still win 5 or 6 without Pippen because Reggie Miller was in the same draft
Where did Pippen go instead? Who replaces him on the Bulls? Please give us the reimagined rosters for the entire league so we can try to give an answer, thank you
Pippen went to Cleveland. Instead the Bulls got Kenny "the Jet" Smith. Otherwise, the rosters can be imagined as basically the same. MJ does a whole lot of losing in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds of the playoffs, no longer the GOAT God
now we ranking hypothetical scenarios?
GOAT
D Wade-ish suffering with insecurities & gambling issues…
Nice try, Scottie.
Waste of a post. What if basketball never existed where would MJ be?