I'm always suprised at the quality of lower league German stadiums
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Because those teams used to play in the BuLi
I guess so but when you compare 2nd tiers from Spain and Germany their quality is so much better. Germany's 3rd tier also has great stadiums too, the only one that I can think of being great in our 3rd tier is Riazor and that's also because they used to be a great team.
Germans know how to build stuff
sssh, we don't talk about BER, Stuttgart 21 or the Munich Zweite Stammstrecke here.
I mean the Championship also has big teams, Leicester and probably the biggest one is Leeds are there. Sheffield Wednesday is also a traditional club.
Also Sunderland's Stadium is nice
Malaga's La Rosaleda too this season I suppose, but that's an exception
I watched a documentary on La Liga called "Six Dreams" and it was insane seeing clubs like Eibar, Girona, competing against Real Madrid in Barcelona.
The disparity in facilities was vast. And these were clubs in La Liga at the time.
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Germany is a wealthy country
The 2006 WC was also very instrumental in that.
It's great when after a major sporting even the stadiums can be used.
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Tell that our conservative politicians, please
Spain's 2nd division has some insane stadiums as well, i bet most of the teams in spanish 2nd division are bigger than most stadiums in Portugal 1st division outside of the big 3, and i would bet 100€ the average attendance is bigger than in Portugal outside the big 3
"Portugal outside of Big 3" is really pretty small business lol. The 2nd tier of the Polish leauge also has more attendance than that, and Poland is among the European countries with fewest people going to football games per capita.
The "Big 3" is more than 60% of attendance of whole Primeira Liga.
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German sports culture always seemed so family oriented to me. Its like even small neighbourhood clubs are the gathering center, let it be sports or even bingo nights for elders. Everyone has an attachment to the clubs.
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Elversberg bigger than PSG
Always has been
Bigger than our "Landeshauptstadt" defo
Know your place, trash :D
Well I'm not surpried, fan culture is insane in Germany and with massive, classic Bundesliga clubs like Hamburg, Nurnberg, Hannover, Dusseldorf etc, the numbers are guaranteed to be high.
Hannover and Düsseldorf??? mentioned but not us is crazy
Etc, Kaiserslautern just didn't come to mind at the moment, I know you are a massive club
Not mentioning Schalke which in fact is amongst the top ten clubs with the most members in the world is the real craziness
There's too many big clubs in 2.Bundesliga to remeber at one moment, okay?
Like I said no worries. We're absolutely shit rn
iirc Schalke were 16th in revenue the last time they played champions leauge
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And all that although not one of your reps misses a chance to pronounce how devastating your relegation was „for the region“.
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Germany should thank us for Fritz and Ottmar, Eckel, Liebrich,Kohlmeyer our first World Cup won by Kaiserslautern :)
That's certainly not an attitude any of those idols would be fond of buddy. We should be grateful they're part of our history, others shouldn't be grateful to us.
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Too busy farming
Germany also has a significantly larger population than countries like England and Spain.
And less teams per division. The Championship is teams 21 to 44 2 Bundesliga is 18 to 36 by ranking in the pyramid.
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Wonder where the Championship ranks. Some big clubs in there currently.
Ah yes the top 5 leagues
I mean, out stadiums are small af too. Paris' max amount is like 42k.
It helps that some very big clubs are there
Germany is wealthy, has nice big stadiums. Also, Germany has 85m people, bigger cities, bigger supporter groups, bigger everything than the whole rest of Europe. It’s no surprise that they score big in this kind of statistics.
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No surprise, people don't care about football in France as much as say in Germany, Spain or Italy. It's getting more popular among those of immigrant descent in France, but not so much among the general population.
I visited Karlsruhe during a Schalke game at it was filled with Schalke supporters haha.
Germany has a big and spread out population as well, which probably helps. If Paris had 10 football teams in Ligue 1 like London does in the Barcleys, their attandence could be a lot higher
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If you have stadiums big enough and tickets cheap enough, people will turn up and you'll get numbers like this.
The average cost of a season ticket in the Championship is £451, the average cost of a German second division season ticket is £178~
Average capacity in the 2. Bundesliga is 34 948, by the way.
Not surprised. Ive been living in Paris for a couple years now and even though I have so many friends that are huge football fans there isnt a big “going to the stadium” fan base. I’ve talked to friends and other people that have been living in Paris all their life and are fans of PSG and have never been to a game in their life. Even though there are specificities to this like the fact that its super expensive to go watch a game at the Parc des Princes I believe it also has to do with the fact that the culture of going to your team’s game just isnt as big here.
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And yet the powers that be, seems to think that Qatar Sports Investments and privately owned Super clubs is the best model for the future of the game.
what about rugby?
In Germany? That would be as expected.
Saudi Pro League not in the top 5, no?
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