There’s a margin of error for the var system, and apparently it’s smaller than millimeters
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Just happened in Arsenal-Brentford too. This is not what fans want
Yeah. Fans want technology that makes offsides position a Black and white situation but lets make some grey area, cause you know... Why The fuck not
I'm fine with it.
As long as the system accurate and quick Im completely fine with these.
Sports are better without replay. Change my mind.
It’s harsh but I will never argue against the semi automated offsides. They’re always right. It’s not a bunch of useless cunts drawing lines.
Why doesn’t the PL use them?
The useless cunts drawing lines don't want to lose their jobs.
The useless cunts could still keep missing fouls without having to draw the lines.
Instances like this isn’t why the offside rule was introduced though. It’s morally wrong for this to be called offside
The line has to be drawn somewhere though and regardless of where that is, you will always have these calls 1mm over the line
It has to be an objective decision considering it completely effects the game
Na, not having it. You can’t honestly think looking at that image this is deserving of an offside decision. This sport is fast becoming a referee-centric enterprise and it’s sad to see fuck all pushback from fans. In fact, people actually defend shit like this
It does beg the question what do we want from our football. I like how it's objective but I would rather a ref got it wrong and let the flow of the game continue frankly.
No one would have argued over a call as tight as this this before VAR right or wrong.
You can't be offside with a mon goal scoring part of your body though, right?
I had the same thought but then I looked closely at the feet. I think that's the call
these cgi simulations, what are they based on?
do they take camera angles and kind of average it out?
it boggles my mind that these decisions are based on camera angles which at 23.98 framerate will always have motion blur
hockey struggles with this as well.
tennis made a move to high framerate cameras, i think?
The automated VAR cameras (12 in total) shoot at 50fps.
maybe they should give up on the cameras idea, and build pressure sensors into the pitch :)
how do you account for heads, shoulders, knees with pressure sensors?
Graphics downloaded from Football Manager
Are we sure the system is this accurate? I don't know how it could be without, like, 970 cameras.
You don't, but scientists who made it and high school students interested in the technology are able to easily comprehend it
Thats bullshit
there should be a picture in picture with the ball leaving the foot of the passing player, or a bigger picture - how can we trust the VAR guys so much ?
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Tomorrow someone is going to be offside by an eyelash and or a stray mustache hair.
I feel like if we have to judge offside by the current ruleset, letting a machine decide, or having lines pced on the backmost pixels is the fairest. It may be millimetres offside but at the end of the day, that is offside. Harsh, hard to swallow, but also correct.
That said, I think maybe it's time we look at the offside rule and how it's decided. Obviously we can't do away with the rule altogether as that leads to cherry-picking, which leads to defenses sitting by their own goals all game. It would suck. But maybe we need to reinvent the offside rules and what it means to be offside. Another method for stopping cherry-picking that isn't so controversial.
Now all of these ideas are absolutely garbage, but the point is they highlight completely new systems, not trying to it tech to the current one. Potentially something like if any body part overlaps with the last man, it's onside (if you want to favour attacker, which we should really). Or the reverse, there must be a gap between the attacker and the defender before the attacker reaches the last man (if you want to favour the defense, which is a bit lame). Maybe it's a case of creating a shot clock type situation where if you are ahead of the ball but beyond the defender for 1 full second, you are offside. Or use liens on the pitch and must be within 1/3rd a ptichlength of the ball when it's kicked or something where the defenders don't matter at all but stops cherrypicking.
Da fuck is even this. You are telling me that if the guy had clenched his fists or had shorter fingers then he wouldnt be offside?
Parts of the body that are illegal to use shouldnt count. His hand cant be used to play so this 'finger' offside shouldnt be one.
Basically if you have a big nose of long feet you are more at risk of being offsides? This is beyond ridiculous
It ain’t his hand, look just above the left raised heel of the blue player, you’ll see like 2 pixels of the toes of the white player attackers left foot
argh i know that its right, like its good that its objective, but it does sortve rub me the wrong way be because the attacking player gained no advantage from being such a small margin offside
This is conflicting for me because on the one hand, this is objectively offside even if it’s by millimeters, and I like this technology for eliminating the human error element.
On the other, the offside rule itself is a bit insane to me these days with VAR—I feel like the spirit of the rule has been lost—this is not giving the attacking player a clear advantage. Yes it’s offside by the law—but for what?
Philadelphia Union fans, is this what you want?
The thickness of the line is the margin of error. He clearly sticks out. I am ok with this.
Tbh, I think that if you need a line so thin, it's not an offside, that's not how the game meant to be played.
One thing about this tech, is that atleast it's the same for everyone. No bias etc
I always thought you could only be offside if a part of the body you can use to hit the ball was offside.
If you think this is a good thing, you are an enemy of football.
The body part that's offside can't even legally play the ball. It's ridiculous. They should just go back to feet placement.
To be fair. With modern AI. We could completely eliminate referees between completely in a few years. Just need enough camera angles with high fps. Would fans go for that I wonder?
Genuinely don’t think this is how the rule was intended to be interpreted. Should really just use feet because this looks like a perfectly timed run to me.
I thought to be offsides the part of the body that was beyond the last defender was one that could be used to score. Hands, elbows, and forearms can't be used to score therfore can't make a player offsides. The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered. For the purposes of determining offside, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.