It is still irritating though. It really does seem like Micah gets held on every single play. Like.. multiple literal chokeholds a game..
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You could point to all the great pass rushers, I see it all the time against JJ and Q on the Jets because I watch them more, but you also see it constantly against Crosby, Hutch, Watt, Garrett, Bosa…
Feels like the inconsistency just removes the advantage of having great pass rushers. That is a literal game changer for the Jets because you know damn well the Offense isn’t gonna do anything, so to see your DL getting mugged just makes it, like you said, irritating.
The plays that look like chokeholds are usually not actually holding. You get to that position usually when the pass rusher does a rip move, which basically pushes the O-lineman's arm up into a position where they have to either disengage or wrap their arm around the pass rusher. There's an exception in the rulebook for those plays.
As a fan of a player that loves them: still. There are holds on those players, and the league doesn’t call them.
Aren't those only holds if the OLine takes the Dlinemen to the ground?
Good lol
This is every good pass rusher on every team. And every person who bitches about it roots for a team who's OL holds non stop
Its also boring when shit offensive play gets bailed out late with some grab ass PI call that was allowed throughout the entire game
This penalty that suspiciously hurts the public money, brought to you by Fanduel
Me watching my $2 go down the drain after the gators let Florida state run one in at the end of the game last night
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This is part of the Chiefs game plan.
We have benefitted from 5 dpi in 2023. The average team is 5.75.
https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/defensive-pass-interference?year=2023
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"The NFL fined Micah Parsons $150,000 for unsportsmanlike language"
“…and a cool $1mil for tossing up the deuces while saying it”
The automatic first down penalties need to be abolished,
League bails out certain teams in the 4th quarter every week .
Every fucking week
They should change some penalties so they give yardage but don’t change the distance for a first down.
For example let’s say it’s, 3rd and 5 at the 50 and the defense gets an encroachment penalty. Normally it’d be a first down, what I’m suggesting is that it stays 3rd and 5, but now at the 45 yard line.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re completely right. Most defensive penalties that occur prior to or after to a play should move you further up the field without changing the yards to go.
I don’t think that is the fix. I think the biggest fix is bailing out bad offense with a penalty. An under thrown deep ball to a sprinting wideout is the most common. Qb throws a bad pass defender plays it perfect if it was a good pass. But it wasn’t so they get a massive penalty. In those situations they need to change the rule to account for officials discretionary rulings of uncatchable. If a ball is thrown behind a receiver sprinting full speed with a db and he suddenly stops to try and catch bad ball it shouldn’t be dbs fault.
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Micah fails to realize the more he bitches about refs, the less likely they are to actually call holds that benefit him
I’ve accepted it’s useless, the mf will not stop tweeting. Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to you know he dgaf
Once the mf openly admits to having a foot fetish when he absolutely did not have to
You know how many fucking unsolicited feet pics he must get now? If that's his deal, it's almost certainly working out for him
Well he’s actually a father and still dating Travis Kelce’s ex, so he probably isn’t looking to hard at those
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How is this bitching? I guess he is acknowledging that the missed holds exists, but everyone knows that. It’s not a secret. Seems like he’s either agreeing or at least understands their reasoning for not calling every single one.
Uh-oh. Are we on the Luka track already?
This is a good way to make sure the refs never call a hold in your favor again.
If you remember a few years ago they did this, and the viewership went down and everyone bitched. It was insane how many holding calls they were calling.
The only annoying thing about it now is how selective it is. Realistically almost every play could have a holding call, so they only call the ones that are obvious. I think everyone is okay with that, but the problem is that sometimes a less obvious one has a significant effect but doesn’t get called or a more obvious one has little to no effect and does get called.
The solution definitely isn’t to just throw that shit every time they see it, because that would be most plays, but right now I feel like reffing has to be changed somehow because it’s been awful
Your right, what makes it a hold vs what Doesn’t is the question . I think the nfl did indeed say just call the most egregious ones and that’s it makes sense from keeping everyone involved in the game bc I do remember when they were calling every play I stopped watching it. But your are right it needs to be more standardized in what’s dictates a hold and what doesn’t. Bc let’s be honest the defense wants a hold every snap lol
The whole point of a penalty is to discourage it from happening in the first place. If they’re still doing it, the penalty needs to be increased. Hell, throw them out of the game after the second one.
If teams can’t stop them without holding, letting them just do it isn’t a reasonable solution. Why would anyone invest a dime in elite pass rushers if they’re just going to be nerfed by the refs? Eventually you wouldn’t even need great o-lines anymore either, everyone’s just gonna grab the best holders.
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Because holding is the most obnoxious penalty in football.
Huge play just happened? nervously waiting 10 seconds to see if a holding call is coming
10 yard penalty on first down? Drive is over. I remember reading that TDs were scored less than 5% of the time on drives where holding is called.
We would get way more Steelers-Browns games if holding was called as often as it should. Different strokes for different folks, but I don’t want to watch 9-6 shithousery every week
OL holding should be officiated differently. More like penalties in basketball. The line gets a set number of allowed holds per half and after that each one is a called penalty.
Yes that means they could hold more early on, but that would risk a higher likelihood of holding penalties in key moments at the end of halves when it’s more valuable.
Say the number is 5 allowed per team per half. There are 35 offensive plays per team each half. So the OL can only “get away” with holding on 14% of them, which I think we can all agree is less than the percentage of holds teams currently get no-calls on.
You could build in safeguards against abuses as well like; no exceptions under 2 minutes.
This would also allow linemen to learn how the refs will be calling holding for that particular game.
If this worked for OL Holding it could also work for PI.
Respectfully, nothing should ever do what the NBA does, under any circumstance ever.
Ok, but hear me out: Meaningless. In-season. Tournament.
The NFL and NBA already share the fact that they are entertainment entities meant to make profits first, competitive sports leagues that are meant to find the best team second.
So 10 times a game (5 for both teams), we're going to have the refs stop the game to announce a penalty that doesn't count? I'm sorry, but that would be an already ad-filled viewing experience that much worse.
It wouldn’t be a flag until the allowed holds ran out. They’d either make a 5 second announcement or just tell the teams on the sideline.
They should change the holding penalty to 5 yards instead of 10. Maybe they’d be inclined to call more holds consistently. 10 yards is a huge penalty to recover from.
The whole "refs would be throwing flags the whole game" comment is so nearsighted. Maybe that would happen a few games, but 10 yard penalties are absolute drive killers, call enough of those and offensive linemen will begin not relying on refs to overlook holds.
The same goes in reverse for defenses too, obviously. Defensive holding and late PI calls are getting flagged randomly or at the will of the ref rather than every time… call it every time and watch how quickly players adjust and stop trying to get away with breaking the rules.
I'm going to say something controversial here: i think you're both tapping into the idea that the refs just need to be consistent. Either call it or don't, but do it the same way the whole time. You'd definitely hear fewer complaints about the officials if they just called things (or let things go) consistently.
Agreed 100%. I’d take calls being made consistently as a stepping stone to better officiating. But ideally they would call all penalties and force players to adjust/play within the rules rather than just be consistent with what they do or don’t call. But I’d still take consistency in games, and across different ref crews, over what we have currently without question.
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Usually it seems like the most egregious holds happen when the OL gets beat so bad they are trying to give the QB enough time to escape, if they actually stopped holding there'd probably be a lot more QB injuries. I think in the current state of the NFL, OL talent is outmatched by DL talent, and letting them get away with holding tips the scales a bit back so they're more evenly matched.
I agree it's total bullshit though, either call it every time or make it legal. Deal with the consequences. Letting the refs influence the game whenever they feel like it is wrong.
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if you tend to see and talk negatives, this question isnt for you. If you enjoy exploring the world of imagination, heres a wild one for you
what would playbooks look like, if there was no penalty for holding? Lines freeze each other out, then what?
yes, this is strictly video game territory, just to imagine what would happen
Outside runs, lots of draws and late developing play actions off of them. Another feature would be that you can run or pass out of any situation because the lines not moving means no illegal man down field.
Defensively the slot blitz would be the best play in football
What’s offensive is bad reffing
Coaches probably tell them to just hold since the refs aren't consistent enough but I get what Micahs saying. Last week he got hit in the face mask 2 feet from the back official and they didn't call it. Something like that would irk me too
It would be offensive for the players to follow the rules. I agree.
#firegoodell
I disagree, they call 10 holdings a game and Jets fans still watch.
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