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If you're having issues with NextCloud being slow and having errors, it's probably because the machine you are running it on is low on RAM and/or CPU.
I bring this up because what ever replacements you try would likely have the same issues.
My NextCloud instance was nearly unusable when I had it on a Raspberry PI 3, but when I moved it to a container on my faster machine (AMD Ryzen 7 4800U with 16GB of ram) it now works flawlessly.
I agree with this. It needs a good amount of CPU cycle and RAM. Raspi struggled for me too.
My NC instance runs on a 24GB RAM, 4 CPU Ampere A1 host(Oracle), and still struggles. YMMV.
And it struggles as a photo backup host an i5-7xxx and 16GB RAM at home.
It's not absurdly slow, it's just...irritating sometimes.
Yeah, Ive got this in my setup as well and its been pretty slow. I thought it was a network thing because I'm currently using Tmobile home internet but switching to a fiber optic network with 500Mbps up and down soon. Im really hoping that changes things
Whta db are you using
Postgres.
Also using redis, did all the typical perf checks listed on NC site etc.
The backing database type and the storage it runs on are just as important too.
I have my issues with Nextcloud, but it's still, by far, the best solution I've come across.
Sorry to hear you've had a bad experience. I've been running the lsio Nextcloud docker container for 4 years without any issues at all.
What exactly have you tried to do to address your nextCloud problems?
I was on the same boat when I was running NC on a container. I switched to VM, and most of my issues have been resolved, but collabora. I am currently using the built-in collabora server, which is slow.
I use linuxserver.io's nextcloud docker image. While I've seen people struggle to setup Nextcloud properly to the point of just giving and installing the snap version of it, I can count the number of times I've needed to do manual interventions for nextcloud with LSIO's nextcloud image. It works like a charm.
Second this. Running on portsinet with the images. Absolutely breeze with 8gb ram and 2tb ssd
lSIO is amazing, my first stop for container browsing! Followed in second place by hotio.dev
I just installed it baremetal, works like a charm.
I used Nextcloud + Samba by the side for awhile, these days I use Samba exclusively, mounting takes basically no time whatsoever and syncthing for synchronization stuff
I use pydio for cloud drive. I think you can try this
This is where I am right now as well. The main thing (or really the only thing in fact) I use nextcloud for now is file storage, because when it works, it works damn well. I only really need something that can upload and download files easily, which I guess there are alternative for that, but I also need to be able to share the files via link and share links where other people can upload files for me, which so far Nextcloud does the best of the bunch I've tried... So I'm kinda stuck on the decision to switch for now...
Take a look at Cloudreve
Files: Filerun or File Browser both allow upload and download. I prefer the former as it allows me to preview file contents more broadly (e.g. pictures and videos). But it is paid.
Calendar: DecSync or Radicale both have no web UI. I prefer the former because it doesn't need a server at all, just a file sync solution. But, if you have an iPhone there are no clients and you'd have to setup a radicale server anyway.
Notes: Like others have said, Obsidian with Obsidian-livesync.
The nice thing about Filerun/DecSync/Obsidian is they store or serve files in close to their original format (e.g. files/xml/plaintext), so you can still open the file up on any computer and read its contents the way you normally would.
Did you switch Nextcloud from SQLite to another database?
Other than that, chances are, whatever makes your Nextcloud install slow will also affect Seafile or whatever else you replace it with.
I spent some time with top and iotop debugging my server performance problems. I found an issue that was completely unrelated to Nextcloud. Since I fixed it my Nextcloud instance has been completely reliable.
I looked into Seafile as well but disliked that it stores my files in some weird block format.
For Calendar I highly recommend radicale. Super easy to setup and has a non bloated management ui. Has worked flawlessly over the last years
This is concerning to me because I’ve been considering ditching Synology and spinning up nextcloud. I like Synology drive but I’m tired of the underpowered hardware and dumb roadblocks and vendor lock-in nonsense. I’m very curious what you end up doing!
Not OP, but I run it on docker with postgres and redis, behind a reverse proxy. All apps on NC have pretty good performance and haven't had any weird issues. It's on an old xeon with 32gb and on spinning rust.
Also not OP. I run nextcloud on 10th gen i3 on spinning rust and performance is good. I run it on LXC container though so without docker
Give Radicale a try for CalDAV and CardDAV.
+1 for radicale. Simple setup, reliable, easy to administer and backup.
I open source my homelab as much as I can. But when it comes to backups of my family's photos, servers, and laptops I don't want troubleshoot bugs that could cost me valuable data and time; that's why I gladly pay for a Synology NAS.
If you are willing to consider commercial products, I can recommend Synology DiskStations (at least the plus series). Samba shares are quite easy to setup, you can use Synology Drive to sync a folder between workstations and Android phones which I use for Obsidian for note taking. They also have calendar options, but I use a hosted account at posteo for that.
If you want to stick to nextcloud but don't want to host it, you could consider Hetzner Storage Share. It's fully managed and worked great for me so far. But I only use it to share photos with others, so not all features.
Sorge Hetzner Storage Share is what I now use as a "rock solid" Nextcloud. It's slow as fuck since I activated like all plugins but - hypothetically they let you run those small llms for a Local AI integration meaning you could do a lot for those few bucks.
However, long term, I having setup Nextcloud AIO and so far I did one upgrade without any issues. This Nextcloud could be fast - but is not slow running on 150gb RAM and 6 vCPUs. It would take more RAM if I give it more......but I have a full stack NC with Talk,ClamAV, Talk Record, .....
I like the look of filerun - but it's not free in the community edition anymore. So what I am looking into for a time but could not figure to setup is Pydio.
Me as well I don’t like nextcloud at all
Need something like synology drive but open source
Did you tried installing it with snap?
Its just snap install nextcloud and you are done. No config no manual updates and iam having a good time with it. It was a bit tricky to change the main storage folder to another hdd, but its possible.
That maybe fix your Performance issues too if there is something configured wrong, in the other hand snap is a bit slower then a normal install.
Notes: Memos
Calendar: still Nextcloud (caldav is fast enough in nextcloud, even with sqlite) or SOGo
Files: Owncloud OCIS (not the old PHP one)
PSA: saying "I run Nextcloud and don't have any problems" doesn't help anyone or contribute anything useful to the conversation. It just makes you look like an insecure fanboy.
Disagree, seeing as OP has not posted anything other than "I run Nextcloud and have problems", providing a counter is straightforward and expected.
But they didn't ask for help making nextcloud better, they asked for alternatives.
Well, the comments were helpful to me, in trying to determine if I want to put effort into setting up Nextcloud. A post full of alternatives, with people saying that Nextcloud is buggy? Obviously, look at the alternatives.
A post full of comments saying "you shouldnt have those issues, want some help troubleshooting your config" and a couple alternatives? Probably worth looking into Nextcloud rather than writing it off.
The OP is exactly the same but in reverse. I haven't had any issues but using MariaDB instead of default SQL.
No, it makes you look insecure about your objectivity. Spreading FUD about a FOSS project isn't helpful, and it's usually down to misconfiguration or poor hardware that it doesn't run properly.
I see plenty of folks who think they've got Redis setup but are following crap guides, so it isn't working.
Trillium , file browser
Perhaps you need something to trigger the webcron so things don’t slow down to a crawl. I use uptime Kuma to trigger the webcron every five minutes and have never had any issues.
Sadly there is no real alternative right now if you want anything close to what the cloud providers do. Synthing is the only thing I use that comes close to parts of it. Nextcloud is just a slow insecure mess.
Next cloud must be the worst piece of shit ever
I never stop seeing people complain about it :(
It sounds like the sync aspect was written by the crash plan folks.
You have not stated the hardware you are running this on. It makes a huge difference. Hope this is not Raspi?