this post was submitted on 27 Nov 2023
669 points (97.7% liked)

Technology

59135 readers
2588 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

"I can see that one of my friends is apparently watching a ton of cheesy, soft porn stuff," a user said of Plex's Week in Review email and Discover Together feature.

Many Plex users were alarmed when they got a “week in review” email last week that showed them what they and their friends had watched on the popular media server software. Some users are saying that their friends’ softcore porn habits are being revealed to them with the feature, while others are horrified by the potentially invasive nature feature more broadly.

Plex is a hybrid streaming service/self-hosted media server. In addition to offering content that Plex itself has licensed, the service allows users to essentially roll their own streaming service by making locally downloaded files available to stream over the internet to devices the server admin owns. You can also “friend” people on Plex and give them access to your own server.

A new feature, called “Discover Together,” expands social aspects of Plex and introduces an “Activity” tab: “See what your friends have watched, rated, added to their Watchlist, or shared with you,” Plex notes. It also shares this activity in a “week in review” email that it sent to Plex users and people who have access to their servers.

This has greatly alarmed a wide swatch of Plex’s user base, who have blown up the Plex forums, the Discover Together blog post comment section, and Reddit with posts about disastrous overshares created by the feature. A sampling of posts: “Discover Together and Week in Review emails are a MASSIVE breach of privacy and trust!,” “Security breach: Why is my friend receiving notifications to rate movies I’ve watched?,” “Weekly review emails data leak,” “Plex crossed a line with ‘Your week in review’ emails today.’”

The feature is opt-out, meaning that many people were very surprised to get these emails and see this feature, as it’s up to users to proactively turn it off (instructions here and here).

“I can see that one of my friends is apparently watching a ton of cheesy, soft porn stuff (think classic ‘skinemax’ fare) from some server (it’s not mine) or Plex channel, and I am 100 percent sure they would be mortified to know that I know this,” one user wrote on the Plex Forums. “Now replace this friend, who’s just enjoying their downtime with some cheeky T&A, with a teenager who may be having difficulty figuring out feelings about their sexuality and are just trying to explore by watching LBGT dramas to see if anything there resonates or can help them figure things out. Suddenly, one of their intolerant friends or parents gets a detailed email report with a cheery title listing every little thing they’re watching…This is a dystopian nightmare of a feature and I honestly can’t believe it’s been rolled out as opt-out like this. SHAME ON YOU, PLEX!”

“I wonder how many people just had their week’s porn selections emailed to their Plex friends,” another user posted. “I just got an email about a friend’s watching habits which he definitely didn’t want to share. He insists he’s never opted into any data sharing, but…it went out anyway.”

“I’m sure there’s a certain percentage of people who want to know what kind of porn their grandma likes, but I’m hoping it’s not the majority,” another posted.

Otto Kerner, who is a moderator of the official Plex forums, said that porn viewing habits would only be shared if Plex can make a “match” of the media with online databases like IMDb. “Many pr0n titles are either not listed there at all [sic],” Kerner wrote. It’s worth noting, however, that there are many adult titles on IMDb.

There are hundreds of posts about the issue on the official Plex forums, many of which point out that many Plex users chose to use the service in the first place because it is a “self-hosted” alternative to streaming that many people go into believing they will have more control and privacy than is offered by Hulu, Netflix, and other streaming services. Plex is also used by many users to play and stream files that they have illegally pirated (the ability to do this is largely behind the initial popularity of Plex), though the company has been trying to move away from the perception that most people are using it to play pirated content. “The fact that this data is available to you AT ALL … That is just … Mind boggling, and completely against the very notion of self hosting,” one user wrote. “I feel betrayed that was done without telling me that this data was going to be collected. Let alone acted upon. It’s dangerous. Certain entities would LOVE to have that data…which could mean jail time for some.”

“The ‘See what your friends are watching’ will be great for all the people with secret porn libraries. Or when you start watching a Jan 6th documentary, and you see Aunt Becky start commenting about it being part of a satanic conspiracy,” a commenter on Plex’s blog post announcing the feature wrote. “I can also say that not one person I have talked to has ever liked the idea that I can see what they're watching from my server.”

Plex did not respond to requests for comment sent from 404 Media. Plex employees have been posting regularly in the forums explaining that people can opt out of the data sharing, and have also said media watch “sync events,” which it uses to track viewing history, do not tell the company the nature of the file played: “There is no way to know whether something being ‘watched’ occurred because you went and saw it at the theater and then marked it on the Discover page when you got home, you watched through a personal Plex Media Server Library, or anything else.”

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] attaxia@lemmy.world 249 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It’s unfortunate Plex seems hell bent on adding features nobody asked for while there forums are full of issues that have gone unsolved for years.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 101 points 11 months ago (15 children)

If only there was a FOSS alternative to plex which slowly gained popularity...

[–] Winter8593@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I for one would love to use Jellyfin. Though I've found in my personal experience it's not as stable as Plex nor has as many features yet. I currently have both running on my home system but primarily use Plex. One day I will fully switch.

[–] Gabagoolzoo@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I put off using Jellyfin for years because of comments like this. Finally made the switch three years ago and lo and behold... it's just a better Plex. More customizable, less intrusive and the syncplay actually works. There are a few issues client-side depending on your platform, but other than that I don't get the criticism.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Curious what issues you have? In my experience plex was very annoying to work with while Jellyfin has been working stable like a charm.

Hardest part has been sideloading it on a smart tv But other then that it worked out of the box.

I do however keep everything local and offline, what really pushed me away from plex was how it kept nagging about making an account and “verifying that i own this server” ever single time i wanted to watch sm.

load more comments (5 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (11 children)

Tried installing it once and literally had to give up, whereas Plex works mostly on the first try each time I've changed oses/servers. But yeah I wish I could use jellyfin

load more comments (11 replies)
load more comments (13 replies)
[–] WetBeardHairs@lemmy.ml 29 points 11 months ago

That's why I stopped paying for Plex about 7 years ago. The CEO clearly has other priorities than making Plex serve home media.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 110 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Honestly Plex has always given me the icks. Its weird hybrid of self-hosted but managed through their servers always struck me as the worst of both worlds. I'd rather put in a small amount extra effort to properly self-host my stuff, or do significantly less work and use something cloud-based. I just don't understand what niche Plex is supposed to serve.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 32 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Same reaction here. My Plex install lasted until I realized that I had to log into their servers to watch my own content. WTF is an understatement.

load more comments (10 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 80 points 11 months ago (4 children)

My privacy is again protected by not having friends!

Seriously though, I didn't know there were ways to follow/friend people on plex. Why would one want to see what others are watching?

[–] Amanduh@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People share their plex servers with friends

[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I'm just seeing you can share libraries. How has plex not been DMCA'd out of existence?

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plex isn't hosting the illegal content and that which they are hosting they properly license. Plex in particular is pushimg harder and harder to host content for you, instead of you hosting your own.

Officially, the 'personal media server' side of things is for sharing home videos/pictures, not commercialized content. (this applies to Plex, Emby, and Jellyfin)

It's the users/server operators responsibly to have the correct licensing for whatever they are hosting to others.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 77 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Listen when companies SCREAM at you that they are intentionally ruining their service and selling you out. This is Plex saying very clearly to the public, "it's been fun y'all, but it's time for you to find an alternative service, start migrating NOW because it's only going to get worse from here"

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 74 points 11 months ago (1 children)

More issues caused by features no one asked for but done anyways so investors can see "growth"

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I wonder if there will ever come a time when the stock market ends up defeating itself because investors demand growth which makes the products shitty which drives away customers which causes contraction instead of growth.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 71 points 11 months ago

What is it with all this "sharing with friends and family"? FFS if I want to share something, I will fucking call them and tell them about it, I don't need some stupid app doing that for me

[–] greater_potater@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I got blindsided by this in the same way. I was sitting next to a coworker and they said "Oh hey, a report on what you've been watching on Plex!"

Now, I thought that it was reporting what I'd been watching on his Plex server, and I've always known he can see what I watch. But he showed me the email. It was stuff I'd been watching on my own Plex server.

Now it wasn't embarrassing stuff, as it's my family Plex server, but I was absolutely livid. This is private. Period. I can think of many, many reasons that someone would want to keep this private, even if it's not about porn.

I alerted my friends, and we all figured out how to turn it off. It seems like it shouldn't be that big of a deal, but I feel extremely violated. I absolutely know that someone in that meeting said "Hey, some users won't like this," and they were overridden. Because some senior director had a metric to hit. And that means they no longer care about their reputation. It's a sign that they've gotten too big to care.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mid stage enshitification. More is coming. Probably unskipable ads like every other service is moving to.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 64 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I replaced Plex with Jellyfin a few months ago and it's been working great for my needs.

[–] mertn@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

I am trying to do the same migration from plex to jellyfin but jellyfin keeps crashing on the server with 'out of memory' in the logs. As soon as I can stabilize that I will dump Plex lifetime. I initially had sync server setting turned on in Plex and Plex kept sending cleartext phone SMS about what I had watched the day before. That is turned off now. I asked Plex corp for a copy of my data. They sent it to me but 'forgot' to send the database table with watch history. They sent me that table when I complained it was missing. Fuck Plex and their spyware.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] tabular@lemmy.world 49 points 11 months ago

Softcore? How embarrassing. Go hardcore or go home.

[–] kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee 47 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I wish that I, as the server admin, could opt out all of my users from this on their behalf. Shit like this should be opt in and it is seriously fucked up to enable by default, porn or not.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

But like...why would anyone even want that for normal content?

There's no shortage of good movies and shows out there. If someone opts in to sharing something with me, they can do it in just about any way. Generally speaking, discoverability in media is not my problem. This sort of feature is great for studios and streaming services, to keep people watching; but for self-hosted it makes no sense at all.

[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s why Jellyfin exists, though admittedly, it was a little more difficult for me to set up the sharing than I would have preferred. Now, I’m up and running, so all is well.

Heck, Emby is still an option if you don’t want a fully open-sourced one. Plex has been steadily moving in this direction for at least the last year or so, which makes me surprised at folks’ surprise over their “privacy” with Plex.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol reminds me of Windows plastering all your photos on the home screen and people being mortified about it

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Who keeps their porn in Plex

There are way better software to Stash that

load more comments (13 replies)
[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 34 points 11 months ago

Hello jellyfin my old friend!

Anytime I feel that jellyfin isn't ready yet, I am so SO happy that I'm not using Plex and I notice that jellyfin is pretty awesome

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

Plex isn't another evil tech company, it's just full of stupid features and unresolved bugs. Jellyfin just isn't good enough to replace it yet; it's more finicky to setup, isn't as good as matching titles and displaying the metadata, and has fewer features. But it is catching up fast.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I set up jellyfin by pointing the prebuilt docker container to my media folder. And it just kinda worked.

Not saying your wrong, just that it wasn't my experience.

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments (7 replies)
[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Now we can all be congressmen.

[–] acannan@programming.dev 22 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Why does anyone use Plex when Jellyfin exists?

[–] xaxl@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Plex is easier to set up and has more features that are more polished than what Jellyfin has. It's also a more well known name and been available a lot longer and it's app is available on a lot more devices including TVs themselves.

Jellyfin will one day be the superior option though once it's more polished and caught up in these areas.

load more comments (10 replies)
[–] thoughtorgan@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Cause jellyfin has all the telltale signs of a half baked open source project, and plex doesn't.

load more comments (8 replies)
[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago (14 children)

This wouldn't be an issue if people openly communicated their porn preferences to their loved ones. The answer is increased communication, not increased privacy.

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Those 'share to facebook' buttons on pornhub were just ahead of their time is all...

"Backdoor Sluts 9" "you know who'd really enjoy this? My friends and family."

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Go for it and report back

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] VagueDirector@aussie.zone 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

That's why I have a jellyfin server for pron and plex for regular media. I originally tried to setup plex for pron as well, but when testing I couldn't be absolutely certain that it would be hidden from other users

load more comments (4 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›