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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To be fair, the author has a good point, but we knew this was coming, and Bitcoin did nothing to prevent it. Monero, however, did.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

what did Monero do to prevent it?

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn't need mixing because the protocol itself hides the sender, the receiver, and the amount as due course.

This stuff is basically banning any privacy-preserving technology on a public blockchain, like Bitcoin, since it has no privacy by default.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

but we do use self custody wallets, which is actually a good thing. and we do churn, because the anonymity set of the sender (right?) is pretty limited as of now. and churning is almost like mixing between wallets.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Monero does not "churn" it uses ring signatures. And that is done by default and enforced by the protocol. Any transaction that attempted not to do it would be considered invalid.

[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

monero does not, but it's users do manually. at least not too long ago it was recommended in the community

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

I have not seen that recommendation. In fact, from everything I've heard, it's better not to attempt churning because it could reduce your anonymity, especially if you fuck up and do it in a predictable manner, like during a certain set of hours that might indicate your time zone.

[–] Sasquatch@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Surveillance state adds suveillance🙃

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 weeks ago

I know right! I'm in shock. /s

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's the equivalent of farmers voting for trump and getting screwed over, Bitcoin bros are next in line

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 9 points 3 weeks ago

I think most Bitcoin bros just care about the line going up; not about privacy/freedom. Trump and those around him are getting insanely wealthy from crypto in general.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

"bitcoin bros" who use custodial wallets and "bitcoin bros" who do high-frequency trading on Coinbase are not the same people. This is not good news any way you spin it, just further consolidation of power.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

As reminder crypto are being centralized so it is looking more like traditional finance. Coinbase holds over 12% of all Bitcoin and 11% of staked Ether.

https://coinlaw.io/coinbase-users-statistics/

[–] doeinthewoods@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's everything of value. All a well decentralized ledger could do is make it incredibly hard to block transactions, change the parameters for total coin supply and dispersion rate. Don't know why anyone expected anything in terms of more even wealth distribution. Wealth distribution is determined by off chain factors. Factors no different than any other value store

it's never lupus lookin ass

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

big deal, and fascism. NATO colonies copying the fascism is to be expected. Spirit of 2nd amendment is spirit of right to resist.

Patriot Act's name is meant to distract from fascist powers within it, and while bitcoin is not super anonymous if you use techniques that are now recommended to "crackdown", there is improvement.

Bitcoin's superiority over gold is the ability to move to a more welcoming jurisdiction without border confiscation, or luggage weight, concerns, and so US/Colonies crackdown on "definancialization rights" may well lead to wealth drain from the empire.

[–] username123@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

What the blunt

[–] shreyan@lemmy.cif.su 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's my understanding that Monero actually provide anonymous transactions.

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yes? But who own monero? And it’s verification nodes? Might end up centralized like btc and eth

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ironically this does not prevent technologies like Monero from becoming the next big platform; nor will it really prevent people from evacuating their coins to a more private and self-custodial wallet.

In general it really only puts a few more onerous steps into the equation where there will be fences and people who are expected to digitally mule bitcoin around.

In the same manner that organized criminals work around modern financial regulations aimed at capturing them; they can also work around regulations surrounding Bitcoin itself; and once the Bitcoin itself is fenced off into a Monero or other privacy preserving coin; it will remain there 'burned' or get 'laundered' by a group of gang members a few hundred times to re-mint coins clean enough to be re-deposited and re-used in the same manner.

It won't matter in the long run that they are tracking the provenance of every satoshi. Especially not if it's far too common that anyone making a suspicious move turns out to be a privacy conscious, law-abiding, yet innocent citizen.