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When Tom Brady said that there’s “a lot of mediocrity” in today’s NFL, some were confused and debated his point.

The Patriots icon further explained what he meant in the latest episode of his “Let’s Go!” podcast, focusing more on the inability of quarterbacks to read defenses and check out of plays at the line of scrimmage. As Brady was discussing how well of a game the Eagles’ overtime win over the Bills was, Jim Gray (one of Brady’s co-hosts) asked him why we don’t see as many games as intense or as well-played as that one, calling back to Brady’s “mediocrity” comment.

“I think the point is, you want to see the game continue to grow and evolve,” Brady said. “That means better coaching, better quarterback play, and better defensive playcalling. I think a big difference too is the lack of time that coaches have with players, coaches have together in the building, people don’t understand the full picture a lot of the time.”

As Brady said that players at most positions only need to know how to do a few things well, he explained that quarterbacks “need to know what everyone is doing.” But he doesn’t think quarterbacks in the league now necessarily know as much as they should, placing some of the blame on coaches because they’re trying to “control the game from the sideline.”

“When you try to control the game from the sideline, you don’t have the answer for everything that’s happening on the field,” Brady said. “Ultimately, as a quarterback, I had all the things at my disposal to get us into a good play. … I had the ability to change the play to get us to a play that I thought would be more successful.

“I just don’t see as much of that in the NFL,” Brady added. “There’s a lot less time that people are spending on it. That’s just the reality. When I started, there was a lot more time we spent on it. Over those years, I developed a lot of those tools in my arsenal to get us into the best play.”

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Brady said that his ability to check out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage helped him win Super Bowls and made other quarterbacks, such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Philip Rivers, great. Now, he thinks that only Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, and maybe a couple of other quarterbacks have the ability to check plays at the line of scrimmage.

Brady laid blame on the constant pressures of getting things right in the league for the lack of quarterbacks in the league today who are able to check out of plays at the line scrimmage, saying “in an effort to get it right, people are actually getting it more wrong.” As he thinks it’s particularly affecting young quarterbacks, he recalled that being able to spend time with the Patriots’ coaching staff during the offseason helped him check out of a play that led to an overtime win over the Chargers in his third career start.

“We were talking about how they were going to max blitz us,” Brady said. “We said, ‘OK, if they max blitz us and they get us in that look, we’ve got to check the protection to a seven-man protection, and let’s get the receiver a shot down the field.’ [They said that] to a second-year quarterback!

“I was in the system my whole first year. I was being taught by Bill Belichick and Charlie Weis. We had quarterbacks school and the offseason program. We get into overtime after going the full 60 minutes and I recognized they called this all-out blitz. I said, ‘[Expletive] this, I’m changing it.’ I changed the protection, I threw a deep ball to David Patten, pass interference and we got a 50-yard gain. We win the game on a field goal in overtime.”

Instead of seeing quarterbacks doing what he did at the line of scrimmage throughout his whole career, Brady believes there are too many quarterbacks and teams being “reactive” and trying to fix problems after the snap.

“The more you can be decisive as a quarterback, the better outcomes you’re going to have, the better your process is going to be,” Brady said. “You want to be really decisive as a quarterback. You want to be really sure of what you’re doing. But you need to be sure of the gameplan, the protections, who’s responsible for who if they blitz, and where all of the receivers are going. All of that takes time. We’ve got to allow these guys time to develop.

“The pro game is reflecting what the college game is as opposed to the college game reflecting what the pro game is,” Brady added. “We’re asking pro players to play college football. That’s the biggest difference I see. It’s way more checkers than it is chess. I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three moves ahead of you at all times.”

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I guess my question about the qb controlling the game would be was he allowed to completely control the game in his first 5-7 years in the league? The qb position hasn’t been younger on average in the last like 30 years so there are a ton of really young QBs so it would make sense to me that the general play isn’t as high as it was from say 2005-2015ish when you had a bunch of high level QBs who had all played 8-15 years.

[–] Folk-Herro@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

It’s crazy as a dolphin fan to know that this shoe does not fit us at all

[–] seasnakejake@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

If a guy has 7 Super Bowl rings he’s allowed to say the league is as easy as he wants to

[–] CalImeIshmaeI@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It will ebb and flow as winning strategies evolve overtime. The Brady/Manning “field general” style offenses led teams to go all-in on their QB. This proved to be very expensive and not ultimately fruitful. Look at Super Bowl QB’s they’re generally either Brady, Manning, or young superstars still on team friendly deals.

The “cheaper” way to win was to find a coach that had a “system” that elevated mid-tier players. McVay and Shannan and their coaching trees have seemed to follow more of this philosophy. This has led to GM’s search for that winning system/coach more than the field general type player.

In reality, a championship team needs components of both, but currently we still seem to be more heavily in that “find the right system” mentality as opposed to “find the right players” across the NFL which is leading to the result that Brady is criticizing; players simply executing plays and not elevating offenses to their full potential.

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It seems like teams are putting less emphasis on individual QBs to run their entire teams when that style of QB is both expensive and can ruin your season with a single injury. Simplification certainly can lead to mediocrity, but also helps your teams longevity.

Teams like the 49ers, Steelers, Browns, Vikings, Seahawks have all played playoff ball without their franchise QB recently.

[–] DMking@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He's not wrong. I don't think Lamar could do checks like that until this year when we got Monken

[–] Paddlesons@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Anticipate, don't improvise.

[–] Nythoren@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like this starts at the college level. You rarely see college QBs changing plays. They give a hard count then everyone looks to the sideline to get the updated call from the coaches. Then they get to the pros and they haven’t developed any of those improve/checkout mental muscles.

[–] alejandrowoodman@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Now and Forever, Fuck TB12

[–] linus81@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I blame YouTube and ESPN. Everyone wants the highlights and goes big play, especially the young Aqaba, I see it in college a lot as well as pros, check down guy is open, fuck that, yeet!

Three yard dump and runs is just as sexy as a 50 yard bomb to the win column.

[–] Sezy__@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

They should officially be known as a Twitter QB, or tik tok QB.

[–] Malfallaxx@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I think something interesting is him talking about how much time he spent with coaches learning the skill. The current NFL landscape is so sink or swim I feel like it’s a lot harder for QBs to build a rapport with their coaches to where you’re learning this stuff. If the offense isn’t succeeding the first year you usually either have a head coach/OC, player, or position coach getting canned.

Obviously doesn’t apply in all scenarios and some firings are deserved, but everyone wants success now that I feel like a lot of these skills just aren’t being given time to develop. Like a lot of people forget elite QBs like Mahomes and Hurts sat most of their first years. Nowadays we’re calling people like Bryce Young a bust because he’s doing bad starting from day 1.

[–] Oedipustrexeliot@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

As Brady was discussing how well of a game the Eagles’ overtime win over the Bills was

Surely this has to be intentional... right? Right?? "How well of a game it was"??

[–] NEpatsfan64@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

i love this man

[–] kaceytronwhiteknight@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

This play did really well on reddit once upon a time. It has just about everything you want your offense to be able to do when commanded by an elite qb.

  1. Edelman goes in motion with 15 seconds left on the play clock. Steelers defense moves in response, revealing information to Brady

  2. Brady calls an audible with 8 seconds left on the play clock. All 5 Patriots skill position players recognize the audible and move to brand new spots on the field and get set within 5 seconds of the audible call

  3. Ball is snapped with 2 seconds left on the play clock. Play goes for an easy first down

This requires so many things. It requires Brady to be able to identify what the Steelers are likely doing in the Patriots initial formation, be able to quickly identify new information gained based on Edelman's motion, and requires incredibly quick recognition to take all that information in and make the decision to call an audible to a play that the entire rest of the offense needs to know by heart and get into immediately since time was of the essence. Brady used to use up entire play clocks moving guys in motion, sometimes back and forth multiple times, just to see if someone on the opposing defense would give something away. Sometimes it wasn't even to see if they would give something away on that play, it was just information that could be used for later. If the Patriots saw a certain formation or personnel package and that specific grouping refused to audible out or respond to motion, it could mean that they won't in the future.

Manning was also insanely good at this. He'd go up and do the funky chicken at the line of scrimmage shouting the ramblings of an insane person and it was all to get any information he could from the defense. Colts players have said that most of what Manning was saying was jibberish other than the key words that they knew to look out for. Anything to get an extra piece of information that could help.

That type of chemistry and trust takes time. Manning didn't get it from day 1 with Tom Moore. Brady didn't get it day 1 with Charlie Weis.

[–] No_Competition_7336@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

He also threw the ball the hogan at his back shoulder so hogan didn’t carry the momentum into a Steelers d. Basically everything he talked about recently was in this play

[–] rikeoliveira@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Absolute master class. One word and everyone changes their assignments because he saw a lane for a big gain. The throw was almost instant, no hesitation...he knew it was gonna work. Fantastic, really.

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[–] OctopodsRock@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I’m not a patriots fan, and I’m tired of hearing g about how great Tom Brady is. But honestly, I agree with him.

[–] forrestthewoods@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I miss the Peyton Manning no huddle drive. It was a thing of absolute beauty. It doesn’t seem like many QBs do that these days.

[–] mm825@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

I feel like the combination of the Shanahan system and Peterson RPO that started around 2016 has made offense significantly easier and less complex. It's simpler reads and decisions. Not to mention the differences in rules

[–] badash2004@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The NFLPA limiting the amount of offseason practices and full practices that teams can have is doing a huge disservice to the game and isn't talked about enough. It seems very obvious that many of these teams just don't seem properly coached.

[–] ButtholeCandies@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

As a Bears fan, this hurt to read so much because everything he's saying is correct. We've had a bad string of coaching and it's super obvious they are controlling everything from the sideline with a shit plan and zero trust in the QB. Fans are able to predict the next play, the defense is able to predict the next play, offense knows that the defense is able to predict this next play, but they still run the same play 3 times in a row. More than once this season, literally 3 times in a row.

[–] Life-Designer-4936@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

The game changes 🤷‍♂️ I really don't see anything wrong with that.

I see where he's coming from, but this sounds like a vision a head coach has for his team. Maybe he can get the chance to enact it. But until then, it does feel a little like "old man yells at clouds".

[–] MrIrvGotTea@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tom Brady dominated a shit division for years. Those match ups against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins were snooze fests and he rarely won a super bowl without a top 5 to 10 defense.... He is right though... QB quality play lately seems lacking outside of a handful of guys

Brady won a super bowl and 2 division titles in his 3 years in your division lmfao

[–] lxnarratorxl@alien.top 1 points 1 year ago

Greatest QB of all time complains he can’t watch people better than him.

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