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When Tom Brady said that there’s “a lot of mediocrity” in today’s NFL, some were confused and debated his point.

The Patriots icon further explained what he meant in the latest episode of his “Let’s Go!” podcast, focusing more on the inability of quarterbacks to read defenses and check out of plays at the line of scrimmage. As Brady was discussing how well of a game the Eagles’ overtime win over the Bills was, Jim Gray (one of Brady’s co-hosts) asked him why we don’t see as many games as intense or as well-played as that one, calling back to Brady’s “mediocrity” comment.

“I think the point is, you want to see the game continue to grow and evolve,” Brady said. “That means better coaching, better quarterback play, and better defensive playcalling. I think a big difference too is the lack of time that coaches have with players, coaches have together in the building, people don’t understand the full picture a lot of the time.”

As Brady said that players at most positions only need to know how to do a few things well, he explained that quarterbacks “need to know what everyone is doing.” But he doesn’t think quarterbacks in the league now necessarily know as much as they should, placing some of the blame on coaches because they’re trying to “control the game from the sideline.”

“When you try to control the game from the sideline, you don’t have the answer for everything that’s happening on the field,” Brady said. “Ultimately, as a quarterback, I had all the things at my disposal to get us into a good play. … I had the ability to change the play to get us to a play that I thought would be more successful.

“I just don’t see as much of that in the NFL,” Brady added. “There’s a lot less time that people are spending on it. That’s just the reality. When I started, there was a lot more time we spent on it. Over those years, I developed a lot of those tools in my arsenal to get us into the best play.”

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Brady said that his ability to check out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage helped him win Super Bowls and made other quarterbacks, such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Philip Rivers, great. Now, he thinks that only Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, and maybe a couple of other quarterbacks have the ability to check plays at the line of scrimmage.

Brady laid blame on the constant pressures of getting things right in the league for the lack of quarterbacks in the league today who are able to check out of plays at the line scrimmage, saying “in an effort to get it right, people are actually getting it more wrong.” As he thinks it’s particularly affecting young quarterbacks, he recalled that being able to spend time with the Patriots’ coaching staff during the offseason helped him check out of a play that led to an overtime win over the Chargers in his third career start.

“We were talking about how they were going to max blitz us,” Brady said. “We said, ‘OK, if they max blitz us and they get us in that look, we’ve got to check the protection to a seven-man protection, and let’s get the receiver a shot down the field.’ [They said that] to a second-year quarterback!

“I was in the system my whole first year. I was being taught by Bill Belichick and Charlie Weis. We had quarterbacks school and the offseason program. We get into overtime after going the full 60 minutes and I recognized they called this all-out blitz. I said, ‘[Expletive] this, I’m changing it.’ I changed the protection, I threw a deep ball to David Patten, pass interference and we got a 50-yard gain. We win the game on a field goal in overtime.”

Instead of seeing quarterbacks doing what he did at the line of scrimmage throughout his whole career, Brady believes there are too many quarterbacks and teams being “reactive” and trying to fix problems after the snap.

“The more you can be decisive as a quarterback, the better outcomes you’re going to have, the better your process is going to be,” Brady said. “You want to be really decisive as a quarterback. You want to be really sure of what you’re doing. But you need to be sure of the gameplan, the protections, who’s responsible for who if they blitz, and where all of the receivers are going. All of that takes time. We’ve got to allow these guys time to develop.

“The pro game is reflecting what the college game is as opposed to the college game reflecting what the pro game is,” Brady added. “We’re asking pro players to play college football. That’s the biggest difference I see. It’s way more checkers than it is chess. I tried to play chess. I wanted to have three moves ahead of you at all times.”

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[–] BURGERgio@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think Purdy is playing Chess though since the Shanny system is complex I hear.

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[–] cooldaniel6@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Would be interesting to see him as a coach

[–] jim_money@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He’s not really all that wrong. The game is not evolving because of all the nepotism hires who don’t belong in that position, as well as the conservative nature of owners who are quick to cut ties with someone who tries new things. But he won’t say any of that.

[–] incompleteremix@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Alex Smith doesn't understand the game at this depth Tom since he's so mediocre

[–] Fit_Construction5006@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Yeah Tom the game is everevolving. Figured the best qb of all time would know that but apparently not. QBs are more willing to take the physical play now than just a check down for 4 yards. When you have a Jalen hurts you can just run for that. Keeps the defenses off check.

[–] Firstbaser@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Too bad old billionaires are calling the shots

[–] wizgset27@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

lol and people were worried about Brady broadcasting career. Clearly Brady is able to do it and will be sharing his wealth of knowledge of the game to the audience during games.

[–] sonfoa@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean even in Brady's era there were still only a handful of QBs who had that type of mastery over the offense.

Also hasn't the NFL emulated college football? It seems every trend that's been popular in the NFL was used in college first.

[–] debar22@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This. They still had Joey Harringtons and David Carrs and J.P. Losmans in his era.

[–] lkn240@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I watch a lot of college football. One thing you notice in college is that a lot of teams actually call audibles from the sidelines now using signs (this may change if helmet radios are adopted). This probably hinders QB development to some extent.

[–] labattblu@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Go fuck off and play golf Brady

[–] Sudden_Substance7914@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Josh Allen will never win a ring

[–] gmb96@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think this is that bad of a take, a bit old man yells at clouds but there’s a lot of cutting the field in half for the young quarterbacks. My issue I have with the take is I don’t think it is as much quarterback play but instead the terrible state of linemen coming out of college. I don’t feel as if >10% of drafted linemen are prepared for any complexity in blocking schemes, let alone changing it at the line of scrimmage.

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[–] True_Window_9389@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So his big gripe is presnap reads and calling audibles? Meh. QBs today are historically young, so it might just be a matter of time. Coaches want to take over games now because of the success of guys like McVay and Shanahan who can scheme to create offense, rather than relying solely on the QB. When it work, it’s more reliable and stable. But the league is always adjusting, and the coach-centric offense will probably evolve another way, eventually. This sounds like old man sour grapes from Brady that the game is a little different now.

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[–] RootBeerFloatz69@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Go figure, the most successful player in NFL history seems to know what he's talking about. Shocking.

[–] reddorickt@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And yet the currently most upvoted comment in this post is trying to explain how he is so far removed from the game that he doesn't understand a modern defense.

[–] kaceytronwhiteknight@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Yep Tom Brady, who led the league in passing yards and passing touchdowns 2 years ago at 44 years old, could never hope to understand a modern defense lmao gotta love r/nfl, the same sub that voted Brady 101st best player in the league

[–] The_New_New@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think it's more of a defensive reflex to the whole "Things used to be better" kind of comments.

[–] MFmadchillin@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He’s only the most successful player of all time because of his weak division, though!

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[–] AutographedSnorkel@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People that say checkers is a simple game don't really know how to properly play checkers

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[–] skycake10@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (15 children)

The only thing I think is missing from this is that defenses have gotten even better in recent years about disguising looks pre-snap and rotating into different looks at the snap. Coaches that aren't using a good amount of motion to try to reveal coverages pre-snap are doing their QBs a huge disservice.

[–] smashrawr@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'd argue the real problem is teams are really unwilling to run the football. There are only 2 teams with 50% or more rushing attempts, San Francisco and Baltimore. The bottom 1/4 are below 40%. There are only 6 teams above 45%. There have been 50 different starting QBs this year. You would think that a few teams would start trying to line up in I formations (this includes strong, weak, all kinds of WR and TE formations, etc) and just run the football more against these defenses that are built with more pass rushers and smaller LBs.

[–] skycake10@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think this is going to be the next big debate in NFL statistics/gameplanning. The problem is that even the worst passing teams average as much/more yards per pass attempt than the best rushing teams average per rush. A team like the Panthers is only averaging 4.2 NY/A passing, but they're also only 3.8 YPC rushing.

You do absolutely need to be able and willing to run the ball, but I think right now it's hard for teams to figure out the right balance between the inherent inefficiency of running the ball with the need to keep the defensive line honest.

[–] Found_The_Sociopath@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

This is my main complaint with the Bengals offensive scheme. Swallow your pride and spend this off-season reviewing how Miami utilizes all their offensive threats. There's really no reason to not have these talented receivers in motion, particularly when the team was relying on short passes when Burrow's calf was injured.

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[–] Forsaken_Rub_2128@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I think there’s a transition period of great QB play rn plus injuries aren’t helping either

[–] dmfdmf@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (9 children)

“When you try to control the game from the sideline, you don’t have the answer for everything that’s happening on the field,” Brady said.

This Shanny's biggest flaw. When his game plan works he rolls to an easy win. If it doesn't work due to the D countering it or a key injury he has no Plan-B and isn't very good at thinking on his feet. He also plays not to lose, sits on small leads and has poor clock management and doesn't seem to understand the emotional dymamics of a game thus the 4th quarter fades.

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[–] AchtungCloud@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

Collective bargaining is the biggest fault in this specific case, and there’s not much that can done about it. There’s less off-season work and less practice time almost every new CBA because the owners are willing to give that up because it doesn’t effect their bottom line in the short time and players are more than happy to get the same money to work less and get hit less.

[–] Usual_Hat_8848@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

So Brady mentions 4 QBs from his era that benefitted from being able to check out of plays, and mentions close to the same number today that do it.

Jeff Garcia, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, and Jason Campbell weren’t checking out of plays. So yeah, elite QBs understand the game well enough to get trust from their HC to check their own plays. Nothing has changed.

This really sounds more like a guy ranting that no one wants to work anymore and the new generation are lazy and dumb more than anything else.

[–] Ghostfaceslasher96@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I agree with him

[–] louistraino@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Must be nice that a field goal afforded you an overtime win, Tom!

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[–] _HGCenty@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Subtext: Brady checked out of a lot of shit McDaniels play calls.

[–] Jenetyk@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

As disgusting as it is to say/think; the longer Brady has been away from all these "guru" coaches, the more I think they were all carried by this one dude that transcended the position and sport.

[–] marcuschookt@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He saw the 50th screen that quarter and said no sir

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[–] BlackMathNerd@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nothing he’s saying is really wrong here, especially with the extra detail.

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[–] anishh@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Fair point. Whether you call it "mediocrity" or not, the qualities you see in the top QBs today are certainly different from Brady's peak. Way more guys relying on athleticism, and fewer of the "field general" types who get by on taking and manipulating what the opposing defense is doing. Anecdotally it seems like it's far more rare to see guys check out of bad plays but maybe that's because I'm watching a lot of Mac Jones :(

At the end of the day you're going to do whatever it takes to win games, and if you've got a QB with a cannon and a guy that can outrun everyone it's stupid not to take those shots. It is different than a Brady or a Manning dissecting opposing defenses though.

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[–] GLaD0S11@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with him to a point, but saying he had more control at the line than most is pretty funny.

It would be a lot easier to let Tom Brady, the GOAT qb, with like 100 years of experience in basically the exact same offense, make a read at the line and change the play vs someone like Kyler Murray or Tua lol

"Why don't the other qbs simply read the defense perfectly and make the right decision?"

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[–] SuperSaiyan4Jesus@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I mean we also have a ton of younger qbs starting in the league right now

[–] tksopinion@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

If Brady is talking football, just listen.

[–] TheScoott@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I don't think enough credit is being given to innovations on defense over the years. Coverages and pressure packages have gotten increasingly complex over the last 10 years, let alone the last 20 years. It's harder for a young guy to come in and understand what the hell is going on than it was when Brady was first starting. Motion counters some of these complexities but necessarily takes time to execute and therefore doesn't leave a lot of time for the QB to make changes. That's the kind of stuff Brady is talking about but I think the success of the Shannahan/McVay offenses relative to other offenses says that this is still better than expecting these young QBs to have perfect mental models of everything going on.

[–] allmilhouse@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Feels like everyone acknowledges that the reduction in practice time has affected the quality of play but is the NFLPA ever gonna go back on that?

[–] BlackMathNerd@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not without compensation for it, which I think is fair

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[–] notmoleliza@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

back in my day

[–] BlueHighwindz@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Every line of this makes Tom Brady sound decades old, he might as well have picked the wrong Holy Grail cup, because he's aging away into dust in mere seconds.

[–] Inevitable-Order-135@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You thought this was funny?

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[–] AMontyPython@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

He literally was in the league last year, and played about as mediocre as some of the QBs this year. Good lord. You would think he’s been away a TV and the league for 20 years and Patriots/Giants was the first game he saw.

[–] zophister@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

As a guy on the couch, I will very shallowly agree that half field reads and pre determined, instant screens bug the everloving shit out of me. When the get sniffed out they look SO god damned awful.

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[–] Forgemasterblaster@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

I have a feeling Tom is going to be an analyst for 1 year and quit. The guy is not known for his gift of gab.

[–] jjjkd18@alien.top 1 points 9 months ago

In before Alex smith starts talking about how the coaches in the afc east never understood the rules of chess

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