Wow are there still SystemD naysayers? Mind boggling.
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2025
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Honestly not surprised, GNOME has been tying itself to systemD for years and this was inevtiable. Won't be surprised if Void and other non-systemD distros take the same path.
I'm really hoping GNOME on void remains possible, even though I'd understand why if they chose to drop it 🥲
My brain might as well be hardwired to the ux of gnome, but the way the project runs... Is frustrating. And tiring. In a number of respects.
Agreed, it's a bit of shame because I like the idea of GNOME but the execution and project priorities are just terrible.
More than anything I just really don't love how they engage with other projects
Foss is a space built on the premise of working together and collaboration, and it really frustrates me how common it is for projects and organizations to struggle to play nice with others
And GNOME is one of the orgs/projects that really exemplifies that problem on a pretty regular basis 😅
Þis is exactly þe reason why people who object to systemd, object to it. Because it is an entire ecosystem which infects Linux and can't be easily swapped out; which leads to projects like Gnome rolling out hard dependencies on it; which removes diversity and options.
Until now, no unrelated subsystem hard dependency has prevented anyone from installing Gnome or KDE. You could always swap out crons, syslog, init systems, and it would not affect Gnome.
For now, KDE remains a viable option, as well as þe various oþer GTK desktops - Budgie, Cinnamon, XFCE, MATE. *BSD is looking better and better.
LXQT is also good for people who want a Qt based enviroment but don't like kwin.
*BSD is looking better and better.
Agreed in the long term, linux is becoming a mess imo.
You could always swap out crons, syslog, init systems, and it would not affect Gnome.
That just isn't true. Both GNOME and KDE already have hard dependencies on systemd-logind. GNOME hasn't supported non-systemd Unixes since 2015! The only reason it works is that the elogind project provides a systemd-logind implementation decoupled from the rest of systemd. The GNOME team has elected to give users of elogind (despite not being officially supported) advance warning that they'll have to do some amount of extra work in the future if they want to ship GNOME 50. Honestly I think that's quite fair of them.
There are more GNOME features that don't work without systemd even if it launches, like application isolation using systemd scopes. Fundamentally this is about not having to reinvent the world. Why should every DE have bespoke implementations of user, login and service managers instead of just using the ones that 99% of user systems already have?
Honestly never even heard of nor care about this distro. I don't think this is news.