now that immigrants have been violently torn from their families and communities have been destroyed, now that trans people have been blamed for virtually everything and live in fear, now that free speech is on the brink of collapse for us all ― has your life gotten better?

have your groceries gotten cheaper? has your health insurance premium gone down? has your work/life balance improved? can you take a vacation yet? are you happier?

And it ends with, and is essentially the question:

has the widespread suffering of others paid off for you in the way he promised it would, or are you still waiting?

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I'm sorry, is that gif at the bottom ms Grande? If so, that is misogyny at it's worse. "Look at all the serious thing she said and did, and now a cutsie pick of her sipping fizzy pop like a vacuous airhead!"

We'll never make any progress whilst mainstream media continues like this.

[–] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pardon me but is this a form of projection? If we as a society associate actions of women doing normal things with being a (to use your words) "vacuous airhead" we're not making progress anyways. We need to let women exist in public without calling their existence lesser.

[+] Redfox8@mander.xyz -7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, very much not. Rather a fed-upness of seeimg woman (and other social groups) belittled in mainstream media). See my other reply re being a little ott, but that's a reflection of not being in the mood to tollerate more bs like that. Just treat people with some level respect and consistency regardless of who they are. If that was a man, there would'nt be a pic of them slurping a soft drink at the end.

[–] Steve 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think you misunderstood "projection" in this context.

You saw "a cutsie pick of her sipping fizzy pop like a vacuous airhead!"
I saw a pick of her taking a drink through a straw, with a look of curiosity about something else.

Your interpretation of the image is a sexist one.
You've become so enraged by sexism, the pattern recognition system in your mind is saturated and over-sensitized to it. So much so that you now see mundane things in a very sexist way. You've internalized the very view which you hate. And now you're "projecting" that view onto things that aren't at all sexist.

It's not your fault. It doesn't make you bad. It's just a strange quirk of how the human brain works. It can happen to anyone; Especially with a steady diet of algorithmically curated rage bait. But understanding that it can happen, allows us to look out for it in ourselves. Which is almost enough for us to stop it from happening. The other part is to stop the algorithmically curated rage bait feed.

[–] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 10 points 1 week ago

Thank you for explaining my use of the term "projection" and the context that could lead to such behavior. I really couldn't have explained it this well.

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok so yes I was projecting onto the article creator. You are correct about that. However I stand by my point that was the writing and the choice of image are jaringly at odds. I.e.

"Here's person A, look at this serious question they asked about a serious topic, oh and he's a non serious gif of them at the end" it subtly underminds the validity of what that person said. It is quite subtle, but that's also part of my point. Prejudices can be very subtle, and I was calling that out.

As a standalone image, I am with you in that description. However, my description is me accentuating my point, not a subconscious outpouring, let alone a reading of that image.

I'm not enraged, but I also wasn't in the mood to just scroll on by that time. If you read anything into that then all I can say is that you're mistaken. I get it, there's a lot of unhinged people out there (such as for the reason you described) but I am confident in my beliefs being overall soundly grounded (if not perfect).

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fellas, is it airheaded to consume liquid?

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 3 points 1 week ago

Depends upon the liquid. If you consume lighter fluid because you think it'll help make you "hot," well... ...you might be an air-headed redneck.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

misogyny at it's worse

I don't know, I can think of a million things that are more misogynistic.

[–] ranandtoldthat@beehaw.org 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Agreed. Acknowledgment of women existing and doing things (like... drinking) is not inherently misogynist. The parent comment used the words "vacuous airhead", the linked post made no such suggestion.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

> sees woman existing how she wants to

"I must save her from the evils of the world"

-- the patriarchy

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok, a little ott in my comment maybe, but it is a jarring contradiction with the otherwise seriousness of the article, which I believe stems from stronger, deeper or ingrained misogyny. E.g. "we can't have an article about a woman without portraying her in a cute (but at least not obviously sexualised in this case) way".

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most everything she does is "sexualized" - it's her public persona. Never mind you're obviously looking to be offended with such a ridiculous comment over what is basically an animated headshot - no risque bodily parts shown at all.

I didn't (& still don't) see it as a sexualization whatsoever. My first interpretation of it was like she was saying "hmm, that's something to think about, isn't it?" You seem to be one of those people who I occasionally see being told they "need to go outside and touch grass."

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Again, see my other comment for more detail. No offence was felt per se, I just had a moment of intolerance and wanted to say something for once. I think there's been a misunderstanding of why I said what I said. Please note that I said the image wasn't sexualised (even if much of her public/promotional imagery is), in fact I was making a point of the lack of it! Plenty of grass touching at my end, but thanks for the thought.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sorry, but you picked a "for once" that had one of the weakest possible justifications for "saying something" that one could possibly imagine You were looking for an excuse to be offended. Full stop. There's is absolutely NO other logical explanation I can think of, and nothing you've said anywhere provides one, either.

You weren't triggered. You were on a mission. In your rush to be... *ahem* ...sanctimonious (likely in a lame attempt to prop up your own ego momentarily), you instead wound up making an absolutely COMPLETE ASS of yourself.

I suggest you double check that grass you've supposedly been touching so much of to ensure it's not actually AstroTurf.

P.S. I generally only ding people this strongly when they're genuine assholes, but I honestly don't think you are such. I don't like misogyny, either, and have been guilty of "white knighting" myself in younger years. So please know that I get what you're trying to say.

The thing is you really screwed up badly here, and had this happened IRL then you would have severely damaged your credibility among those who experienced it. You're fortunate to have had this happen online, where attention spans tend to be far too short for anyone to remember you said this the next time they see your username (although some Fediverse clients like mine have the ability to assign a "tag" to people as a reminder).

You seriously need to get some perspective, and figure out why you felt the need to pick this moment to "show up" when the justification for doing so was so plainly fabricated entirely within your mind. I'm knocking you so hard because your absolutely minimal acknowledgement that you might have gone off the deep end indicates you need that extra "encouragement" to check yourself before you go off again, this time in a far worse situation to be doing it in.

Good luck.

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well I gave to completely disagree and I think that's through a misunderstanding of what my actual point is trying to be.

That is: the choice of image is at odds with the text. Yes I made an exaggerated projection to aide my point that I see this as being sexist ( e.g. would such an image be used if it were a man?). But that doesn't mean that I am trying to be sanctimonious or looking for an argument.

I simply saw something I didnt't like the look of and spoke up about it.

My use of 'for once' was meant to refer to my belief that women can be all too often sexualised - tying in with my belief that sexism played a part in the choice of the image.

I don't care for praise here, I only saught to raise an issue that I perceived. I feel no 'white knighting' about this, and if you were to meet me irl you'd soon enough learn that feeding my ego is one of the very rare things that I do, but I get your point that it can be easy to fall into such states of kind. I'm not perfect but I don't think I'm being an ass here. Clumsy maybe, don't express things like most people maybe leading to misunderstanding maybe. But not any of the rest.

Should I just be quiet about sexism then? Yes, this isn't a major part of the wider issue of sexism, but sometimes it is important to discuss the smaller, more subtle parts too.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're talking as if you know for a fact it was due to sexism that that clip was shown - something you simply cannot "know." Virtually EVERYTHING is open for interpretation, and - as you seem to be the only one here leaping to anything even vaguely close to that conclusion - I'm going to interpret your interpretation as overly judgemental because you were looking for an excuse to be outraged.

ETA: Note that I'm saying this as someone who is also significantly more sensitive and aware of biases and bigotries (such as what you're claiming) than the average. I first became aware of Ariana on the show "Sam & Cat," and I didn't think much of her at first - although after enough eps she kinda grew on me (I liked Jen McCurdy enough to continue watching it, although it was my spouse who was more into it). When she later turned her public image into an overly sexualized "tramp" it immediately turned me off & I paid minimal attention to her from there on out. As such, know that I understand where you claim to be coming from, and still think your complaint reeks to high hell. /EDIT

The only person you're fooling with your nonsensical long-winded "justification" is yourself. Until you learn otherwise, further discussion is obviously pointless.

TL;DR: You're full of shit and/or yourself, wether you have the self-awareness to realize it or not. Goodbye.

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okayyy, I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion. I have only shared thoughts, beliefs or opinions, which I have tried to clarify, not justify. I have not made any outright claims.

Not one person has asked me single question either about myself or what exactly I mean. I have been presented with cherry picking of words I've used, assumptions about myself, filling in of blanks etc to level wild accusations at me despite none knowing me in the slightest.

If you think I'm wrong with my belief that what I saw was sexist - that's fine.

If you think I have been overzealous in how I've spoken - fine also (But that's a reflection of my frustration, not attention seeking activity that I've been accused of).

But the rest...absolute fantasy land stuff!

Not one person has tried to discuss the interpretations you refer to (or anything else) so I haven't really had anything to work with.

I've already stated I'm not outraged. Fed up, frustrated, sure. But anything else is putting words in my mouth, and there's been plenty of that.

Oh the hypocrisy of accusing me of being full of shit! Anyway, happy to say goodbye too.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 1 points 1 week ago

Oh the hypocrisy of accusing me of being full of shit!

Outside of you, I've seen nobody disagree with anything I've said. Things you've said? Yeah....

If you wanna make yourself feel better by claiming that (without any backing justification for such a claim), well I can't say that's at all surprising - rather in character, actually.

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

She just looks like she is waiting for a response...

[–] Redfox8@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Could be, could be! That would make some sense. Like "sooo, anything to say about that?". Good shout, didn't think of it like that!

[–] equivocal@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

It looks to be a clip of her appearance on Hot Ones.