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This is a bit off topic, but I wanted to share it anyway:

Recently I got Cyberpunk 2077. I like the setting, I am a big fan of dystopian future. I am also a little radical about public transport in real life. I love to use it, I hate handling cars, I hate looking for parking.

One of the mayor things I noticed playing CP77 was the lack of public transport. I haven’t played a triple A ever and was surprised by the amount of NPCs. Everything felt so right in Night City. Urgency, dirtiness, people everywhere. Now it is coming with the next update. Thinking about it makes me not want to use the in-game car. It just pops up (hardly any waiting involved, weird) and you cannot really park it anywhere. It is just as useless as real life cars, handling is bad (maybe I am a bad driver but still). I love it. Yes, I can fast travel, but for immersion it is great.

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[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Night city is unironically more walkable than many cities I've been in. Many footbridges, wide sidewalks, and well defined crosswalks.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think another reason it's often more enjoyable to walk, besides driving being quite hard, is that you're always stuck in traffic.

Cities in games like (unmodded) GTA, in part due to system limitations, were often comparitively empty. Which inevitably makes driving far easier and more enjoyable.

Cyberpunk has relatively(!!!) realistic levels of traffic, so you're far more likely to get stuck in a traffic jam. That's also why a lot of people enjoy riding the bikes more, because you can more easily lane split.

[–] art@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Good walkable cities AND decent transit? Doesn't sound very dystopian to me.

[–] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There's a really nice mod on Nexus that allows you to hold the "R" key to dismiss your car, allowing it to drive off by itself just as it pulls up when you request it, and I find it so immersive. If the cars can fully drive themselves, then why can't they be your automated valet?

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Probably an unpopular opinion but I think Watch Dogs Legion did a bunch of Cyberpunk things better than Cyberpunk 2077 did and automobiles was the biggest one for me. Putting them in self driving mode while you handled other hacking, remotely operated drones, or just enjoyed the ride was the coolest thing. I have no idea why CDPR never implemented a self-driving mode for cars, but THAT'S the one thing I want.

[–] Eric_Pollock@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never played Watch Dogs, but that sounds like an absolutely amazing feature. It seems like a missed opportunity, especially since not only is there an AI cab company in the game, but you literally receive one of the cabs during the related quest line. It seems glaringly obvious, yet to this day, is still a massive oversight.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah it's really fun! I didn't care much for the main game but some of the tech/hacking mechanics made it actually a pretty decently fun sandbox minigame

[–] Chozo@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Final Fantasy XV let you do something similar, where you could just auto-pilot the car as you drove to your destinations. I found it to be really relaxing and fun. Sometimes I do want to take my time getting somewhere.

[–] Evilschnuff@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago

Im curious how the game feels if you completely disable fast travel and navigation paths. Should be quite nice now with the metro system.

[–] ChristianWS@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Public transit in games is kinda weird.

I loved using trains in GTA IV, but in GTA V it sucked. Although I think it maybe has to do with the real life cities those games are based on.

Sadly, none had working buses

[–] magikmw@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Just like most US cities then.

[–] zik@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sadly, none had working buses

In a future where the traffic is so awful that cars are pointless, buses are also pointless because they also get stuck in the traffic.

[–] Emi621@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago

I remember that I loved taking the tram in mafia when I played it as a kid.

[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As much as I have been excited about the idea of trains in Night City, as a final-stage capitalist society it makes a fuckton of sense that there was no public transportation.

[–] mycatiskai@lemmy.one 3 points 11 months ago

In a capitalist system an inadequate amount of public transport makes sense. It gets people in the lower classes into the upper class areas to work but it puts them out because they have to get in early or run late and risk their jobs.

The poor have to use a large amount of their own personal time getting in to work and get home late. They have to pay more to live near transit hubs in squalor just to make sure they have less connections to get to work. They have to get food from what little food choices are available close to home or pay more for food near work during their down time.

It is perfect for a dystopian capitalist hellscape.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think the deeper message of dystopia is better made with poor transport. Make the badass hero pay for parking at the enemy's lair.

But if we're just talking about fun, gimme a tram

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago

The Ascent had a pretty cool metro loading screen where you actually had to ride in the train with other people and the only other option for fast travel was to pay for a flying taxi.