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Members of Texas Republican party free to associate with Nazi sympathizers
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this post was submitted on 05 Dec 2023
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You can judge a person by the company they choose to keep.
What about the company they actively invite and elope with?
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Alright, I'm gonna be the one to say it: They fuck 'em, Jerry. They fuck 'em.
Meanwhile in Florida, they're banning even the thought of pro-palestinian speech. Idaho even still has laws on the books that allow the wearing of masks in public racist events because of their wide swath of KKK supporters. The world is a fucked up place.
A couple of months back, we had literal nazis on i4 in Florida - and some of them got arrested -- not for being Nazis. But for NOT GETTING PERMITS to hang signs. The left the rest of the Nazis alone on i4 with signs so long as they weren't being hung on the overpass. This shit went on for weeks. I asked a black detective of the Altamonte Springs PD why tf they weren't getting arrested, and he wouldn't answer me.
why tf they weren’t getting arrested
Because being an asshole isn't illegal in America. And you wouldn't want it to be, either.
Nazis are not only grumpy assholes, they literally want to kill entire groups of people just because of their skin colour or ethnicity. A democracy can‘t tolerate people like that because they themselves are anti-democratic.
Can't prosecute people for what they think or want, only what they do. And again, you wouldn't want that to be the case.
You're getting downvoted, but people just need to imagine that the people in power use that same law to arrest pro-palestinian protesters. You don't want the government to have the legal authority to arrest you for your opinions.
That said, it doesn't mean you as a person have to tolerate Nazis. You don't
I usually hate being downvoted; it makes me feel dumb. But this is one of those opinions I'm very confident in, so I'll live with downvotes.
So the genocides need to happen again before we can do anything about them?
This isn't thought crime - it's a group motivated by hate, that has a history of genocide, and previously had to be stopped by the military might of the bulk of the western world. They're working to recruit and to intimidate, there's zero value to their existence, and very good reason to stop them.
What have I missed?
I mean... There are other models? Being a Nazi publically is illegal in a number of countries. America doesn't have restrictions on hate speech but Canada does. Here's how it works here :
You are totally allowed to express your opinions in private, to other people directly. If you are at my house and call me a slur - still legal. You are a fucking asshole and I am allowed at any time to tell you to leave for any reason and if you refuse to leave my house you are then commiting a completely different arrestable offence.
But if you take your paint and decide to mark a big swastika on the side of your house or wave a sign with "we should kill ____ people" (for any of the protected categories of people race/sex/sexuality/religion/gender/mental illness etc. ) on an overpass or assemble in a big group white pointy hoods with the express purpose of working yourself up to a genocide. That is illegal.
It's the aspect of public expression which makes it illegal.
Americans tend to think that any checks on their freedom of speech is a sudden descent into 1984 but laws like this have quietly existed on our books for the past 30 years.
That is certainly a way to do it, but I don't think limiting public expression is good. Bad things done with noble intent are still bad things.
Hard disagree. Advocacy for genocide or groups historically known to enact genocide has zero public merit. They deserve no devil's advocate and literally nothing good comes from treating them as a valid position. At best they have a negative value of contribution to peace, social tolerance and the real everyday mental and physical welfare of people habitually eradicated by genocidal regimes.
The step these groups require to make their desired outcomes happen is to be normalized and to have the sense that they represent a majority. Allowing them to build concensus and harass their targets in public with the express permission of the law allows that foothold. Sometimes we should agree certain actions don't belong in the places we share. That public space should reflect a democratic attitude of mutual respect, safety and tolerance.
And I would argue that if these ideas are gaining any kind of foothold broadly, the rest of the citizenry is abjectly failing to meet their social obligations. Society doesn't get to just coast; we all have to be out there every day expressing and pushing for what society should be. Make the public square so full of good ideas that the fringe ass holes are drowned out.
And the harassment that you describe is possible because too many of us don't engage and make clear by our actions and speech what isn't socially acceptable.
It is an uncomfortable idea that the rise in authoritarianism around the world is somehow our fault. No snowflake and avalanches and all that. But if we are sleepwalking into a world where garbage in the public square isn't fought against by overwhelming numbers of people, we kind of get what we deserve as a whole and everyone suffers, especially those that are disadvantaged. We are responsible.
And no, it is not good enough to simply hand over the responsibility to "fix" this to the state-sanctioned-violence branch and your local paramilitary police force. The hearts of men can't be legislated away; they must be won. With hard work and public display. And if we try to coast and just "keep it out of the public" these ideologies will definitely fester in private.
Perhaps being a member of a group that committed a series of genocides, was a military enemy of the and US, and is grounded in nothing but conspiacism and pseudoscience that had to be stopped by the combined military force of half the western world should be illegal.
The main downside of protecting Nazism is genocide - what's the upside?
Would you defend the rise of ISIS in the US for the same reasons, and if not, why not?
what’s the upside
That all groups are equally protected under the law, whether you like them or not. I'm sure AIPAC would love to designate supporting the liberation of Palestine a hate crime. I'm sure that corporate lobbyists would love to designate unions as a violent and disruptive organizations.
Would you defend the rise of ISIS in the US for the same reasons
If they are committing concrete acts of violence, no. If they rise as a political body, then yes.
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Would you defend the rise of ISIS in the US for the same reasons, and if not, why not?
I'd defend someone who's being arrested for wearing an isis t-shirt
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However, wearing face coverings in Florida for these purposes, IS: https://www.flsenate.gov/laws/statutes/2011/876.12
And it hasn't stopped cops from arresting people for being black, etc in the past.
Those things are bad and that shouldn't be a law.
Those laws exist in a lot of states. That's why I mentioned Idaho specifically in the first reply. They're home of one of the biggest KKK groups in America, and are one of the very reasons why they didn't have those laws implemented.
If you sympathize with Nazi sympathizers, you're probably a Nazi sympathizer.
They'll say they just sympathize with Nazi sympathizer sympathizers. But then they are sympathizing with Nazi sympathizers. And so they are Nazi sympathizers.
If you willingly sit at a table with eleven nazis, there are a dozen nazis at the table.
This is why we don't do Thanksgiving with the fam anymore
Texas is so full of cowards now, even Nazis feel at home
What are the differences in policy prescriptions between your average Texan Republican and your average Nazi?
There's not a punchline here.
Well, Texas Republicans hate women, LGBTQ, immigrants, people that look like immigrants, the young (but already born), the old (they're too expensive to keep alive), the educated, leftists/liberals, people that are any religion but Christianity, the poor, and sometimes Jews.
Nazis hate women, LGBTQ, immigrants, people that look like immigrants, the young (but already born), the old (they're too expensive to keep alive), the educated, leftists/liberals, people that follow any religion but Christianity, the poor, and always Jews.
It's not as overt as the Nazis yet, but there's no shortage of mainstream Jewish dogwhistles that are targets of hate... Soros, Gates, globalist elites, the world economic forum, cultural Marxists, the WHO, Hollywood, the MSM....
I mean yeah, of course they're free to associate with themselves‽
If Republicans could not associate with Nazis anymore, they would loose a lot of friends...
Not that surprising nowadays.
Let’s be real, if they banned these associations they couldn’t even talk to each other!
Of course I know them. They're me.
Or themself. Everybody does it, I'm not crazy + alone or either seperately
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