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I used Manjaro for about 3 years
Its great but packages tend to break over time with it being a "stable" arch build
Over that 3 year period updates managed to break my install at least 30 times
Switched to Endeavour over a year ago and haven't had an update break my install yet
That sounds more unstable than plain Arch.
Holding back packages can do that. Not in sync with what the AUR has to offer is just asking for trouble.
Except it's pure bull. I've been using it for years on the stable branch and I've never had anything break.
Anecdotal, but good for you.
Wow. 30 times in 3 years? I wonder if that's specific packages or hardware you had. I had 5 computers (2 desktops, 3 laptops) running Manjaro for so many years, and still haven't had a single system break. Including using a lot of AUR packages.
Though last year, I've moved all of my computers to Arch, Debian, and Proxmox. Arch mainly because I wanted to fully configure my systems more.
I used to be a huge Manjaro fan. There were many ways it let me down, some of which were just bad governance.
The biggest problem though is the AUR. Manjaro uses packages that are older than Arch. The AUR assumes the Arch packages. This, if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.
It is not a question of if Manjaro will break but when. Every ex-Manjaro user has the same story.
For me, EndeavourOS is everything that Manjaro should be.
Endeavour is basically Arch but with bling out of the box & an easier installer....
What bling¿? I thought endeavorOS was very minimalist as well. Just arch with an easier installer
I am not the most technically astute person, using Manjaro and the AUR for like five years and never had my system break. Yes, some package problems here and there, but where do you not have them ever? And so far nothing an internet search couldn't fix. I found it very stable both in the XFCE and the KDE spin.
The AUR doesn't assume arch packages, if the package your aur script wants isn't in your repo then the package simply fails to update/install.
Edit: This is true even for Arch linux, as the Aur package might be out of date.
if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break
Oh, bullshit.
Yeah. Notice how he doesn't mention how Manjaro holding back packages can actually prevent breakage that Arch users have to deal with.
The manjaro hate-boner is just tribalism and elitism. Every one of these threads reinforces that.
if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.
If your system breaks because of AUR it means you're using AUR wrong... you're not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
Most of the hate is because of the maintainers not maintaining their security certificates. Another similar distro is EndeavourOS, which I personally prefer. But either way, find what works for you.
Just out of curiosity I've looked for that a couple of months ago and I found that it's relatively easy to transform a Manjaro installation to Arch and Endeavor. IIRC it was just adding new repo keys and changing the repos. People attempting that would have to look the guide up for details.
There's not really any benefit of running Manjaro over Arch, it will only introduce problems over time. If you want a "pre-configured" Arch with a nice installer, go for EndeavourOS, it's great!
Manjaro has graphical tools that make it super easy to manage packages, drivers and kernel versions.
Manjaro for some reason can't stop breaking crap, and when they do break crap, they aren't exactly elegant about it
Just give it a go. I used it for years, and had relatively little issues tbh. Most of them I think are hardware related as I'll have similar issues in other distros and even windows.
The devs have done some goofs yes. Things like letting certs expire, and as mentioned already, potential issues with aur. But, I remember having aur issues even with vanilla arch in the past.
Using fedora currently though, and I don't think I'll switch anytime soon.
My personal negative vibe toward Manjaro comes from my own experience with updates breaking things when I was running it
I'll keep it short and sweet.
I've been using Manjaro for about 6 years now.
When I had an Nvidia GPU, it would break after quite a few updates and need a rollback.
Then I moved to an AMD card, and I haven't had any issues at all.
Like...at all.
The End.
I have almost a dozen installs of it in the wild for a few years now, with friends and relatives that aren't very computer literate. It has been virtually maintenance free. This is on wildly disparate hardware as well, and it's always installed nicely and with little messing around after to get things working.
People like to hate on it; it's been by far the most reliable distro I've used, far better than "just works^TM " distros like Fedora and Ubuntu. I'd ignore the naysayers and use if it works for you.
I am currently using Manjaro as my main Laptop OS.
Most of the hate is philosophical based in small often overlookable facts. And how Manjaro uses/is compatible with the AUR. There's a whole github dedicated to the communities complaints here: https://github.com/arindas/manjarno
While I can see why many don't like manjaro, I personally see these complaints as a way to evaluate the company to see if they improve.
My experience with Manjaro is about 1-2 years now. And the OS is very stable, honestly more stable than my brief time with Fedora.
But I did break a lot during that time including my DE. However as long as you are careful on where you install from, the distro will be stable.
Install order
Official Repo - this is delayed by a few weeks to "validate stability", one of the sticking points for the community
Flatpak
AUR - due to the delayed official packages some AUR packages won't update immediately, or will cause conflict when they are.
AUR support is honestly the only valid issue with Manjaro. Due to the delay AUR packages will break as older dependencies aren't being updated causing a large string of removals which can cause stability issued in Manjaro.
My recommendation is to avoid the AUR unless the package isn't found elsewhere. Which is a problem if you installed Arch for AUR. Thus EndeavorOS is preferred.
But for my usage I prefer the graphical interfaces for all setting. With the exception of GRUB, there is a GUI for everything and you won't need to touch a terminal.
With that said, you may want to look into OpenSUSE or Fedora/CentOS, and they are similar in terms of GUI settings. And are a little safer since OS level packages are behind another package manager.
But at the cost of less software. For me I'm stuck with Manjaro for now, and as soon as Slimbook battery is officially on Fedora trying that out again.
I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.
The thing is, you have to update AUR packages. They're compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
Agreed.
I've been using Manjaro for about 7 years at this point. I've had issues maybe 5 times, and nothing I couldn't fix.
I have manjaro running on six machines. No problems that were not Just part of learning. Two of those computers were for testing different distros.... All ended up with Manjaro.
Hate is for people that don't create, or improve their own world.
There will always be some haters. Haters are emotionally motivated to engage while most other ppl dgaf. So it's normal you'll see a bit more of them.
Manjaro is the best.
The longer you spend in these internet communities, the more you'll realize there's a substantial amount of losers who can't form their own opinions. They'll just repeat whatever is popular in order to fit in.
Besides the points made - using their own repos. It kind of defeats an important point of using Arch, if you don't use the official repos as your main source of packages imo.
It's a rolling release. You have to let it roll. Arch already has testing repos, there is zero need to test outside of them.
Running Manjaro here. I'm been using Linux exclusively for years, and while I'm not a power user I like to think I'm conversant with it. I've had the odd problem here or there, but honestly not any more than I would expect with any other distro. I picked it because I wanted a rolling release distro that used KDE, and SuSE Tumbleweed didn't want to install that day!
The real question is, why are you considering Manjaro in the first place? What does it do that a different distro, without all the hate (which I personally think are 100% justified), doesn't do? Why "risk" it?
I've had nothing but a great stable experience with it. I tried the other distros like endeavor and Garuda but they both looked ugly and had some issue after install. I think people hate manjaro because it's bloated but I appreciated that everything I needed was already setup, configured and good to go.
I didn't install any aur packages because those are unsupported and I don't know enough to support them myself.
I haven't personally used Manjaro but I've been daily driving EndeavourOS with KDE for a few months and it's been rock solid.
Like Manjaro it's also Arch based but still uses the vanilla Arch repos, Basically it's just Arch for lazy people (like me).
I ran Manjaro happily for a while because I was scared of the Arch installation process. A couple of years ago, though, an update broke my system. By then, the archinstall script had come along so I tried installing Arch with that and I haven't looked back.
Install the plasma meta package though, otherwise lots of stuff is missing
Used Manjaro in the past, worst distros i've used. Wifi card detections, Screen display and kernel issues,. Re-installed it many times. Never had thoses problems with Arch, Debian, & Ubuntu
Endavour OS