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Isnt min suggested 2GB for debian? Well I was running it on 1GB
I installed it successfully on a 512 MB machine the other day, with LXQT. Didn't run very well though.
Yeah it's going to be a debian-based at least, that's for sure
Debian based distros can be very different from each other. Ubuntu, Mint, Pop!, etc are all based off debian. I think what the commenter you're replying to is saying is to install the stock debian image, because that's the lightest version of debian.
I used to like Debian based (and still do; I use it on my server with no intention of switching) but Opensuse is great on the desktop and supports 32 bit. Even tumbleweed is rock solid.
I've been hearing good things about opensuse while researching my alternatives
The Distro is not important, just debloat it. Something like Alpine is actually smaller, but in the end the Desktop needs to be tiny.
Good point. Thanks
If you can run the Raspberry Pi Desktop that would be good. Wayland and I think very light.
I am thinking about installing that on Fedora, rebranding and all, to have an actually small Wayland Desktop, because the current options are either WMs or bigger Desktops
Puppy Linux is very active on the 32bit land.
either that or damn small linux
There's also TinyCore, made by the lead developer of Damn Small Linux after it stopped being developed.
Thanks! I'll check it out
Personally I am using a netbook like this as a headless server with Ubuntu.
You can try to run Lubuntu, or even TinyCore and Puppy Linux on this for simple tasks.
Generally speaking, with 1GB of ram and Intel atom, as you stay away from video streaming platforms and use simple tools for writing text or run simple code in python, you would be fine. However with less than 100€ you can find laptops with core i5 4rd generation with 8gb ram. I am not sure if it worths it.
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I'd recommend Alpine and running it headless. Realistically you'd need 4GB+ of ram to run a modern desktop session so that's not ideal. However running Alpine headless will leave you with 800M to run programs.
You can still run a GUI desktop on it but I'd recommend having a nice sized swap partition/file to make up for it. It'll be slow as soon as you hit the 1GB memory and starting swapping out.
It's not the desktop that needs 4 GB, it's large apps like modern browser or office. The desktop will run fine on 1 GB. May want to look into Midori and Abiword as alternatives.
Absolutely correct, Alpine can run a desktop environment with 500 megs.
Whatever distro you install, make sure you enable zram, it makes old computers with low ram much more usable, and an out of memory killer too.
Ooms are much less necessary with MGLRU if they keep to a new kernel
I'd still use an oom killer even on 6.1 which is the kernel Debian uses, mglru got improvements in following kernels like you said.
The Linux kernel already has OOM killing... Do you mean something like Facebook's oomd where you can more easily control it from userspace?
yeah, from what i remember the kernel's oom killer isn't that fast and external ones work better
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You might be able to reset the root password by booting to single user, or using a rescue usb.
That said, you could take the chance to try one of the BSDs.
See if you can get the memory upgraded. DDR3 SO-DIMMs should be dirt cheap.
I'd also get a cheap SSD aswell, especially if this is for a child who might not be very careful with the machine.
Hmmm yeah I hadn't thought about upgrading the laptop, that's a big idea, and indeed it should be super cheap
I use super old hardware as well. An SSD will blow your mind.
yeah MX21 32bits is what I would install, or AntiX.
Can't you boot on a USB key and reset the root password on your HD partition?
AntiX! Of course. I thought Antix had merged with Mepis to create MX. Didn't know they were still around. probably the best choice since it still seems to be based on Debian Stable
AntiX is awesome on old HW, everything works, just don't load a big website in the browser or it crawls :)
I have no experience for this matter, nor a lot of Linux either, but there seem to be some interesting choices here (there isn't best and worst, it's just a list, and the most adapted to what you need).
https://itsfoss.com/32-bit-linux-distributions/
Obviously the minimum system requirements should not be your max amount of ram. You need to account for apps or tools you'll run.
Thanks, that list was very helpful in confirming some of the ideas I already had.
Alpine Linux could be worth giving a shot very lightweight!
Interesting. I search for Alpine Linux and the first search result was a Lemmy community. Looks interesting. Thanks!
One distro that I've recently found runs pretty well on older/slower systems like this is wattOS. It's a distro focused on power efficiency, but because of that it does well on underpowered systems.
If you don't have to use it but want to keep it functional, why just not reinstall MX again? You know that and how it works
Because it does give me a functional piece of software to grab YouTube videos without actually opening YouTube, but it cannot really run Firefox with uBlock, which basically means web browsing is impossible
I'd probably try a minimal Debian installation with the Openbox WM.
Link, in case you're having trouble locating the .iso: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-12.2.0-i386-netinst.iso
Arch Linux 32.
Something like Sugar or Doudoulinux would perhaps be more suitable for your daughter.
Doudoulinux has not been updated since ages , but it will run very well on any old laptop.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check those out
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