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[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

This is the 4th time the Doctor has regenerated into David Tennant (Eccleston -> Tennant, Tennant -> Tennant, Whitaker -> Tennant, Tennant -> Tennant again) out of 15 lives, so anytime the Doctor regenerates there's about a 26% chance of him turning into David Tennant lol.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This was my favorite of this series of specials. I was pretty concerned that they had cast NPH as The Master for a bit there (I'm a NuWho Noob, so I had never heard of The Toymaker), but aside from that, it was pretty good! Ended up skipping through the song-and-dance number, though. Just wasn't for me. Intrigued by the bi-generation twist and the new generation. We got too little of 15 to really develop any sort of insight, but he seems solid enough so far. Looking forward to Christmas!

Also, where the hell did that hand come from at the end? It came from off the edge of the platform. Was it a POV shot? So confusing XD

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The hand I think was a callback to Last Of The Time Lords where a hand with red nail polish retrieved the Master's ring after he died to bring him back to life. The Toymaker mentioned that he beat the Master and trapped him in his gold tooth, so this is some sort of Master shenanigans I think.

[–] ech@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Definitely a call back, but my question is more so the physicality of it in universe. That was the edge of a platform 50 some stories in the air, and the hand came from off the platform. Was it someone reaching through a hole in reality? An invisible floating entity that still cares about their nails? I'm very curious!

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I suspect bi-generation is a ploy to make this Doctor, and all he does, reversible. I understand if RTD didn't want to carry all the dense guilt and lone wolf weight of Moffitt's Doctor into his version, but just dumping it onto poor Tennant and carrying on with a properly "counseled" Doctor, as if the new Doctor wasn't a continuity but rather a drop in from already having a life, seems....weird.

But for the producers, if it doesn't work out you can just eliminate the RTD storyline and switch back to Tennant. After all, who really expects a time lord to sit on a porch drinking lemonade for long?

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

That's an interesting way to look at it. It's going to be a fascinating time for Dr Who

[–] MrPhibb@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

I think that choice has a lot to do with the Curator and the Renegade Doctor, this would explain them pretty neatly.

[–] halm@leminal.space 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I find it troubling how some fans itch for "reset points" when it comes to certain changes from the show template. Like suggesting rolling back the first Black Doctor immediately after his premiere appearance, or crying for RTD to retcon all of the first female Doctor’s run before it was even over.

Why not just... live with it? Let the show go on forward instead of imagining some weird rewritten, all-white-males version? It was fun having Tennant and Tate back for a second, but I honestly prefer Ncuti Gatwa already, especially over a "rerun" face.

On a sidenote, I don't think David Tennant is anywhere as eager to return to the show (even on an intermittent basis) as his fans are, and I kind of doubt we'll see him again until it becomes time for that actual regeneration into 15.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

I guess I wasn't clear. I like the new Doctor too, and I don't want a reset. It's did occur to me that the episode lent itself to rolling back. Another possible conclusion is that Disney wants to spin off more Doctor-themed shows and having two doctors makes that work.

IDK. I'm happy we're getting more Doctor Who, but nervous we're destroying tropes along the way. Two Tardises, just like that? Hmmm.

[–] Sharp312@lemmy.one 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The whole episode up until the ending was amazing, it felt like how doctor who should feel especially thanks to donna. "Im donna and youre a gonner" shit made me and my friend laugh so hard. That was classic donna. And oh my god the toymaker explaining what happened to the docs companions after her? Incredible scene. And toymaker dancing around unit was awesome. But then it crashed hard, they pull bi-generation out of their arse. If its a myth the doctor knew about, something that big has to be built up to, to me it just felt like a cheap way to copy the 50th with having 2 doctors on screen.

Although from the small bits ive seen of him, ncuti seems to me like hes gonna be an incredible doctor. That one scene when he kicked 14 and donna out of the tardis, jokingly, with sass was awesome, felt like a NEW doctor, but still the doctor. Also his interactions with tennant were so heartfelt. No doubts hes gonna be great.

Too bad they fucked up the sonic so bad lmao. I can gurantee this new sonic wont be able to make FUCKING SHIELDS because thats op and they were just lazily thinking of a way to get 14 out of that situation.

Im going to give ncuti a go, but with that ending it felt like i had what doctor who used to be ripped from me. If they keep retconning things like davros for the sole purpose of: "wheelchair users cant be assosciated with evil" then the shows dead to me and thats really upsetting

[–] MrPhibb@reddthat.com 1 points 10 months ago

I liked when they asked him if he was just going to leave without saying good bye 'Would I do that?' Ummm, how many times has the Doctor done just that?

[–] Devi@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I really enjoyed the Toymaker. Everything was so manic and fun but still dark.

I'm not sure I'm on board with 15 yet, the way he was going to sneak off felt odd, I don't trust him. I will say I've never liked a new doctor so it will grow but right now I'm like, nope!

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also he stole 14’s floor mallet!

[–] Devi@kbin.social -1 points 11 months ago