Amsterdam did this, it's great.
We also prioritise bicycle lanes and pedestrians. Getting rid of cars is the best thigns for a city
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Public transport followed by safe cycling lanes are the best way to get people out of cars.
Amsterdam arguably has the best public infrastructure, I've done a fair amount of traveling and I can't think of better public infrastructure.
Two ton blocks of steel moving a excessive speeds and making a lot of noise isn't something you want around homes and people.
You might need to spend some time in a city like Amsterdam to understand, I loved cars before I lived here now I feel very differently.
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Many cities in Switzerland are implementing the same, but there is significant opposition from the rural areas. I hope we will arrive at 30km/h in all urban areas.
"We would like to set a speed limit in the cities."
"Yo boss, the people from the countryside are protesting about your law in the cities."
What
How does no one in this thread realise that these "urban areas" speed limits also apply to all the tiny villages that are currently 50kph. In Europe any time you pass a village entry sign you are now in an urban area as far as speed limit goes. PS: I am for the 30kph limits, no qualm there.
I mean, that's how I read it, too. It's going to be the default for any urban area, cities of millions, towns of dozens.
But that doesn't stop rural towns from increasing the speed limit by posting a 50kph sign, either where it is reasonable, or overall. When you enter any town/city-limits by car, you need to slow down to 30kph, unless there is a speed sign allowing for higher or lower speeds.
This is literally all a town needs to say "the 30kph limit is nice, but we don't want that":
It's because many people, especially in the "car bad" crowd, don't give a fuck about the rules of the road as long as they don't see any personal benefit for themselves in others obeying them.
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Could be people commuting
We mostly commute by train cause we have amazing public transportation, unfortunately they are working on cutting the 50% discount card for frequent train travelers because (no joke) too many people are using it (about 1/3 of the country). This will lead to public transport being more expensive than owning and commuting by car for many.
Sure, and for 90% of they distance they would still be unaffected. So there is still really no reason.
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Hot take: Rural drivers shouldn't get a say in how urban roads are designed
It's not their city. They don't live in it. They can stay in their town if they don't like it
My thoughts exactly!
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More incentive fo bikes and public transit if taking a car is more obnoxious (and safer for pedestrians)
Exactly. We have excellent public transport (possibly the best in the world, tied with Japan) and distances are short because the country is so small.
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Speed limits on roads in built-up and urban areas can only be changed where a majority of the elected members in a local authority vote to do so.
This seems like the balanced approach. That would mean if thereβs an arterial road where a higher speed limit still makes sense they can keep it while deciding to use the lower limit on other streets, right?
On one hand fuck cars on the other hand I would personally want to go faster on an ebike
I've gone faster on a normal bicycle plenty of times and in that case if you don't have a speedo, you may not even know you're breaking the speed limit
Over 30 on a regular city bike is pretty damn impressive for longer than a few stretches
I don't know what people eat, but someone in Lycra was doing well above 32km/h on flat ground on our bike path. My ebike is speed capped and I couldn't keep up, lol.
You mean a trained cyclist on a specialized lightweight bicycle? Those are outliers. Those things are expensive as shit, made of carbon and whatever. That's like comparing the car of an average Joe to the Lamborghini you stood next to at the red light and they sped off at green.
Material only really matters on inclination and for acceleration. The more important part is aerodynamics, but even then we're not talking more than a few watts. A good hybrid, maybe around 700β¬, is more than good enough for an amateur level today. Something with Shimano 105, if you can find it, but that's more about longevity.
When I was in highschool I cycled to school on a 100β¬ bike every day and when I eventually got a speedometer, I realized I was going about 35 km/h. I was a little crazy though, I would arrive at school late and drenched in sweat almost every day...
If you're young and in shape, it's not that hard to pull off actually. I used to cycle 13 KM to gym in 25 minutes lol. Way back was slower of course. The hill was steeper and the payoff not nearly as satisfying.
15 years later, I don't know if I could do 30 km/h for more than half a minute. It'd be mighty impressive if I could get my old speed back because I weigh 40 kilos more now, and I was technically overweight back then too according to BMI. But I'll get there in a year or so.
Though I guess I've never owned a "regular city bike". Mine have always been hybrids. Those are pretty decent for going fast, though not comparable to an actual speed bike of course. And they've been decent enough off road too. The one I had as a teenager was put through so much hell that the pedals were replaced 2-3 times purely because I'd put way too much torque into way too high gears. Plastic broke, metal bent.
If you cycle as a sport it is pretty much the minimum speed. You can easily reach a consistent 40 or 45 km/h in a sprint as well. But this is all on a road bike of course, which makes it considerably easier.
Personally I say we ban cars and make one lane for slower bike riders plus a fast lane for bike riders
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50 kp/h is the norm here in Estonia.
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