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[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 68 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I heard they're adding a third control panel.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago

all it cost was GPO and Regrdit

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

“AI focused features”. Ugh. Goodbye privacy, hello ads!

Time to get into Linux

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Windows 11 was my tipping point. I have to use it at work, and there's no way I'd install that on my devices at home.

I'm already running Linux on my laptop and mini PC.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (6 children)

Could you say more about this? I am curious how new you are to linux, what you might be missing in linux, bumps in the road, etc.

My personal PC use is mostly surfing and gaming. Maybe some light office work but I use open office for that. How painful would the switch from W to linux be for me? This is starting to look more and more likely for me as Windoze goes downhill.

I know there are plenty of rabid linux fanbois here and to be clear I am just looking for an average Joe's experience switching...uber geeks with 20 years of Linux need not apply...thx!

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I'm that average Joe! In fact, I'm using Linux Mint, which is extremely easy to use and navigate. In fact, I've found it much easier to learn than Windows.

So far, I haven't missed anything. I mostly stream content and use the internet. I haven't tried much gaming, but it seems to be well supported.

My only barrier I'm aware of for gaming are multiplayer games that require anti-cheat software, but I don't play such games anyway.

There are a few other little things. For example, since I use my mini PC for content streaming, I had to connect it directly to the TV via USB and use a wireless keyboard to navigate since that's my primary way to watch movies. (Screen mirroring isn't supported.) Another example is Proton VPN works on Linux but behaves weirdly. If I forget to disconnect, then next time I launch Linux I have to manually reconnect to wifi, which is weird, but the forums helped me immediately.

The Linux Mint forums are super good: https://forums.linuxmint.com/

So yeah, I literally just started using it, and my experience has been much less frustrating than trying to wrestle with Windows.

Edit: Linux Mint Cinnamon is what I'm using.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Linux is easier but it has a smaller gaming user base so there isn’t as much native games

The most common experience people have would be Android, Steamdeck, or ChromeOS

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

You're in luck. I have roughly 30 years experience. And first let me chime in with the other recommendations. Linux Mint is absolutely a good starting point. And making a "live" USB is a fantastic way to get an introduction and heads up on possible hardware issues. They're rare but they do exist for any OS. However installing software etc to a live distro is not usually an easy thing. If you want to explore the software side beyond what's on a live image. Try an install to virtualbox. You will get basic practice with actually installing a basic distro. And be able to fully explore the app repositories.

The biggest show stopper for switching to Linux these days is either that you have x rare oddball hardware, or you very specifically need y piece of software that refuses to run under wine, or obscure feature z of software package y.

One final recommendation. If you don't back up regularly or like you should to external media. You will always run the risk of damaging your windows install should you want to keep it around. It's a right of passage for many of us that did it back in the '90s. But not everyone wants that kind of stress just starting out. If you have a little bit of cash to spare. Go on eBay and pick up an old used HP Lenovo or Dell business system. You can get a fourth generation I7 with a decent amount of RAM and perhaps a hard disk and a windows license for almost $150. If you want to practice dual booting, it will make a perfect system. And with a $30 or so HDMI KVM. It can even use the same monitor. Keyboard and mouse as your main system. So you can use them side by side and see which one really stacks up. And in the end when you've made your decision. The old business system will be ready to make a great network file server. If nothing else. It's sort of a win-win-win win investment.

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[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Windows 10 will be the last windows I will use on my personal devices. It’s already too intrusive for me. Anything more intrusive is a hard no for me.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 4 points 9 months ago

My thoughts exactly. Whatever small sacrifices I may have to make by switching to Linux are vastly outweighed by having an OS that doesn't harvest my data and which has a community that actually cares and provides real support.

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Linux is pretty fucking awesome I switched relstively recently as a gamer and never looked back

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Which one do you have for gaming?

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

nobara. Ut is just great I would say it is harder than mint, but easier than fedora whixh means it is pretty fricken easy tget the hang of it quickly

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Windows 12 is likely to debut in the second half of 2024 with ~~AI-focused~~ user surveillance "features"

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 11 points 9 months ago

You don't even need to change that word, "AI focusing on you" and the context of Microsoft explain it all.

[–] Fafner@yiffit.net 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Thought that was the theme for Windows 11

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

No, W11 theme is invasive advertisement in every menu.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Just let us read everything on your computer, bro. That’s all we need to make it awesome, bro. Trust me.”

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Just let us read everything on ~~your~~ our computer, bro. That’s all we need to make it awesome, bro. Trust me.”

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago

I don't like using blockquotes for things that I made up

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Windows 11 is just needlessly slower than Windows 10 for no reason. I don't like the idea of switching to an even slower OS. Time for me to switch to Linux as their primary OS.

[–] Whayle@kbin.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So far for me, games are running faster on Linux than win11. I've gone over a month without booting widows now.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Can I ask which distro you run? My next build will be Linux based.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 5 points 9 months ago

I've never done serious Linux gaming but Lubuntu is lightweight and fairly responsive even on my old 2009 laptop.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

If gaming is the primary thing you are going to do on it and everything else secondary. I can be helpfully unhelpful. There are a number of distributions based around valves steam OS. Which is at its core. Is what's running on the steam deck. Not 100%. But very close. They will give you a very similar experience and feel to the steam deck. Only allow you much more hardware choice and larger displays. So I

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[–] Winged_Hussar@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Besides the advanced Copilot, Hudson Valley is rumored to introduce AI-powered wallpapers

Ah yes, very important that my wallpaper is "AI-powered"

[–] sour@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

yay cuter laptop

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

One of our PCs in the house has Windows 11, and it's already a nightmare - even after stripping out as much adware/bloatware as possible.

Now we're going to be getting something far worse, with extra surveillance features and AI interpretation of them. Wonderful!

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[–] Vendul@feddit.de 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (5 children)

They really did peak with NT 3.5

[–] ares35@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] basic_spud@kbin.social 6 points 9 months ago

win2k really was the best windows. lots of people seem to like xp, but xp was just a bloated win2k

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[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Just when I was ready to upgrade to 11; I don't think I've ever been this behind in Windows upgrade cycles outside of the awful ones (ME, Vista and 8).

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

For real. Me too. I have Win 11 on my work laptop and I hate it. They really had the ergonomics down with Windows 10. I could almost use it blindfolded. Win 11 is a mess. Plus they added a lot of features that has me concerned about my privacy.

And now in Win 12, all my info and data are doing to be sent to some AI somewhere? Fuck that.

The day that Win 10 becomes unsupported or that I'm forced to upgrade to a newer version of Windows is the day I go 100% Linux.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I've got Win 11 on my laptop on with the last update I think it's ok to use now. What's wrong with it?

Not a privacy freak, but still concerned about the overheads with sending unncessary data too. And I really just want an OS, not a nanny on the desktop. Copilot in Edge is useful but I hate the nagging about using it.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Ever notice how it's more search focused? Especially the start menu? There's a lot of data that is being sent without you noticing.

I don't know how technical you are but here's an article with some links to videos of people analyzing what's being sent.

https://windowsreport.com/windows-11-user-data/

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[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

In capitalist America, operating system uses you! (This is meant to be a play on the "in soviet Russia..." meme)

[–] the_q@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Linux is waiting, you guys.

[–] unfnknblvbl@beehaw.org 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have a novel idea. How about my operating system just being a platform to allow my games and applications to run? I'm sick of Microsoft adding "new features" that slow everything down.

I swear, every time a company adds "AI" to their product, it makes it dumber.

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[–] small_crow@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

My laptop came with Windows 11 on it. I installed Fedora pretty shortly after getting it. It doesn't have working speakers in Linux, and it can't shutdown - it just restarts on its own - because Lenovo's Linux support is non-existent outside of a handful of Thinkpad devices.

I accepted the loss. I'd rather use my Bluetooth earbuds when I need them and jump through hoops managing my battery than deal with how hostile Microsoft has gotten towards their customers or their relentless surveillance policies.

[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I belive you but how strange. Think pads are like the go to budget Linux laptop option. They've worked flawlessly for me for various distros over various models and years.

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[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I think its weird no one mentioned how new 11 is , for them to be releasing 12 already. Like, their os life cycle is usually way longer.

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