The finals game doesnt run on linux so i switched back to windows 11. : linux

[+] KISSmyOS@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] caustictrap@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

More like anticheat is holding back the adoption of linux and linux adoption/recommendation will be easier if all the games works.

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Cool, so since you left linux why are you posting this here?

We all know windows is more compatible by design of the capitalism machine, we left it by choice for a reason.

[+] HKayn@dormi.zone -12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Why so hostile? Responses like yours are not going to make people come back to Linux anytime soon.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

In 2023 we still have folks telling linux uses we have to kowtow to non-linux users?

Someone doesn't want to run linux, fine. Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That's no better than a troll. Like those folks who used to make a big post to tell you they were leaving reddit or other forum because someone made them angry. (And I don't mean the Spez debacle)

ALL the shit that's awful about MS and Windows is less awful to OP than running Linux. OK. Well, that's free will.

Some things in life don't need to be announced. No one is shaking their head in sad defeat right now because OP went back to Windows.

[–] caustictrap@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You can check on the previous posts i made in this community. It always sucks when a friend wants to play a game with incompatible anticheat and you tell him about linux. This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority. Windows is not all that bad if you remove/modify the annoying parts of windows and everything just works.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This created a bad impression about linux for him. If you want linux gaming to grow anticheat compatibility should be a top priority.

The person it needs to be a priority for is the developer, not anyone you are addressing here. If it makes Linux look bad and not the developer look bad, that's the fault of whoever is choosing not to understand the root of the problem.

[–] caustictrap@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But the people like my friend who is the majority here doesn't care if it is the dev or linux. They know they cant get a seamless experience if you switch from windows, which he will also preach to his friends. Most people want their stuff to work with minimal effort. People like me and you who care beyond that is a minority.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I get that, but the proper response is definitely NOT "yeah it's Linux's fault" just because OP doesn't look further than that. (Edit: forgot you were OP when I first wrote this. Oops.)

I'm beyond caring if someone takes a superficial look and goes back. Years ago I felt compelled to try saying "hey you didn't stick with it long enough, let me try to convince you that you'll eventually see all the other ways its better" now I'm (apparently) the asshole who says, "If you want to use Linux, great, let me know if you need any help. If you want to go back to Windows, the door's over there."

The argument "If you want Linux to succeed" no longer holds any sway for me. Linux has succeeded. It doesn't need every last person who doesn't currently use it to start using it in order to continue succeeding. 10 years ago we'd never have believed Linux gaming would be where it is today. 15 years ago it was madness to think desktop Linux usage would be as commonly discussed and known as it is today. 16 (edit: 16, not 18) years ago I crossed the threshold where I no longer needed Windows, and a shitload of people have done the same since then. (And a pretty big chunk of people did it before me - when it was MUCH harder to do)

No one who values privacy or actual ownership of their OS and hardware, and doesn't buy that they have to share control of it with Microsoft (or any entity), is going to stay with Windows for the long-haul, and MS makes that argument stronger and stronger every single year, while desktop Linux continues being refined and getting better and better. Not everyone shares those values, and that's fine. Plenty do, and we live in a modern era that brings such issues to the forefront over and over again.

So when a random person says "this single game is what made me go back to Windows" I wish them all the best, but when members of the Linux community (or worse, folks who are not) tell me I should be kissing their ass, that pisses me off. (Not saying you are doing so - edit - you kinda are actually)

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Popping into a Linux community to stick your tongue out and letting folks know you are going back to Windows? That's no better than a troll.

This post is opening up a discussion on game compatibility on Linux. Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.

If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you decide to view this as a troll, you should also condone the people who invade Windows-related Lemmy posts just to advocate for Linux.

If someone makes a top level post about it, yes I would, for the same reasons.

If it's a comment that flows naturally from conversation, I don't see the problem. (in either case)

But I think you meant condemn, not condone.

Switching back to Windows is just one point OP made, which you decided to focus on.

It's literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But I think you meant condemn, not condone.

You're right, I used the wrong word.

It's literally the only point they made. The rest is their justification for that point.

As a community we will achieve nothing if we dismiss these posts as "op said windows is better". We should be looking into why they feel how they feel.

Suboptimal game compatibility on Linux is a point that should not be discounted. We know that Linux is mostly there already, but there's still some amount to go.

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I don't feel the need to sell Linux to someone who isn't interested or who has already decided they are going back to Windows.

OP didn't ask for help. OP said "This one game doesn't work for me, gaming on Linux is a pain in the ass, I'm going back to Windows." (paraphrasing)

You are not going to convince me coddling those kinds of posts is beneficial to the community.

I'd use BSD or even (shudder) MacOS before I used Windows - and while not everyone needs to feel that way, I reject on its face the idea that the primary goal of the Linux community is to endlessly try to convince people who have decided to go back to Windows not to go back to windows.

I use Linux because I like Linux. I like to interact with people who like Linux. I love to help people who want to learn to like Linux.

If someone looks at the totality of awfulness that is Windows and MS (and i say that as someone who supports Windows on the sever and the desktop) and decides it's worth it to go back because they want to play a specific game, that's fine, but I feel no obligation to beg and cajole them to come back, and I bristle at the implication that I, or the community at large, should.

I'm also not going to pretend that a post saying they are doing so is in any way a contribution to the linux community. It's not. At worst it's a troll and thumb of the nose as they head out the door, and at best it's unhelpful, and points the finger at Linux when that's not where the finger belongs.

Did no one know this game didn't work until OP posted about it? Did OP contact the DEV to let them know they should do things differently? Has our understanding of the state of gaming on Linux been enhanced in any way? No, probably not, and no.

[–] HKayn@dormi.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I still believe OP has given us something to discuss here by pointing out the current state of game compatibility.

If you don't, then I suppose there's nothing for you to see here.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

Feel free to make another post to discuss it then. Something like, "Games that don't work on Linux because of EAC - links to voice your support for Linux compatibility included." That's constructive and can get into how to best ask for support (e.g. I want to play on my Steam Deck, but this needs Linux EAC support enabled).

But saying "I'm bailing on Windows because of game X" isn't helpful, it's just complaining. Instead of that, focus that frustration onto something constructive that might actually solve the problem.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 1 points 11 months ago

I have to agree with @semperverus - I find this post as dumb as going to a windows forum as posting about having moved to linux.

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

it doesn't run on linux because of EAC

Nah, it doesn't work because the developer doesn't want it to. EAC works really well on Linux, the developer just has to enable it, which takes literally less than 10 seconds.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's mostly true, but they also need to support it, which is a completely different ball of wax which involves QA testing, training support people, etc, perhaps with some dev work to ensure the experience is decent. It's extra work, and many devs don't want to deal with it.

Sometimes no support is better than poor support from a business perspective.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

*Linux is all good if you don't play competitive multiplayer games where the developers don't want to enable EAC for Linux.

There, fixed that for you.
Surprised that people even still play Nexon trash to be honest.

[–] caustictrap@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Any game that you dont enjoy is trash, got it.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

No. Nexon is a well known F2P trash publisher for decades now. Maybe stop your kneejerk reactions and try to see thinks more objectively.

[–] gila@lemm.ee 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They're probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I'm sure it'll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it

Edit: apparently it's not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux https://www.protondb.com/app/2073850

[–] ElectroLisa@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Finals use EAC and their own anti-cheat, the latter causes issues

[–] gila@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

thanks, edited to correct

[–] be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Edit: apparently it’s not EAC that is the problem. The game has its own anti-cheat which also potentially bans your account if you try to play on linux www.protondb.com/app/2073850

So it's 100% the developer's choices that have resulted in this train wreck of a thread.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bait post aside, I never really understood why people make a big deal of "switching" to Linux or back to Windows.

An OS install is like 60 GiB. If you're a pro hacker gamer you probably have over a TiB of fast storage. Just keep the Windows install around and dual boot into it when/if you need it.

Pains me to see people saying "I permanently switched to Linux and deleted my Windows install", when you can keep it around for emergencies or modding.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Yup.

I have only booted into my Windows install like 2-3 times in the past 5-10 years or so. But I still have it, it just lives on a separate SSD and I just forget it exists. I've only booted in to set up Minecraft Bedrock (kids wanted cross play, but their friends flaked), one time to run updates (was going to upgrade to Win 11, but it hated my processor; maybe my new one works), and to test a couple things in Windows. That's it.

When Microsoft EOLs Win 10, I might go through the trouble of upgrading it again. I don't see much value in it, but it costs me nothing to keep it around. I'm not even sure if it still works after I upgraded the CPU and GPU, but I guess I'll find out the next time I try to boot it.

[–] caustictrap@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

If i use both, that will give me less incentive to be on linux , because windows even though it is annoying with microsoft bloat, everything just works and i will stay there because life is easier.

[–] SigHunter@feddit.de 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

So some random new game is enough for you to change your whole operating system?

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just kept Linux on my PC and bought an XBox because Windows isn't good for much else.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

I just don't play games that don't work on Linux. I use Linux for other reasons, gaming is just the cherry on top. I have 100 or so games on my wishlist and hundreds of unplayed games in my library that all work fine on Linux, so I'm not hurting for choice.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

tl;dr

[–] hyperspace@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

It's why I keep a Windows disk in my PC. There are a couple of fun games and some programs I need that just refuse to support Linux

[–] danikpapas@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Funny thing is that the game would probably work close to perfect if the devs just switched on the linux support in EAC. Sadly, it's just isn't worth for the devs. Linux user pool is too small and those who would play would generate new bug reports due to unconventional setup running through a compatibility layer.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Nah, it doesn't work because the developer doesn't want it to. EAC works really well on Linux, the developer just has to enable it, which takes literally less than 10 seconds.

All the developer needs to do is push a button to make EAC work. They're probably busy hotfixing the 1.0 but I'm sure it'll work soon, they are excluding all steam deck users by not pressing it

If it's that easy, why isn't there a mod or fix for people on Linux to do it themselves?

[–] strongarm@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago

It's configured from EAC, not in code.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would be server-side.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hack the server to add anti-hack. /s

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago

Bypassing anticheat systems is possible, "hackers" do it all the time, but would result in a ban if caught.

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