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Alan Moore talks about how he created Rorschach to be the most disgusting character imaginable. A total loser with no friends and a twisted view of the world.
He says he's tired of all the fan boys who come up to him and tell him how Rorschach is them!
To be fair, Rorschach has a few traits worth emulating. He does have a rock solid sense of right and wrong and uhhhh... Yeah no, that's about it.
He's also capable of backing his words up with actions. Although in the prison scene I guess the actions came first.
Pretty sure the "you're locked in here with me" vibe. is what all the fanboys envision themselves as, but would never actually be to emulate.
I can't remember the exact name, but there's a common process with ongoing characters where the writers find themselves making their toughest characters nicer over time.
Both Wolverine and Jack Reacher were presented as unapproachable loners at first, and both mellowed considerably over time.
Rorschach was 'lucky' because he got to die a noble death before being forced to become civilized.
He does have a rock solid sense of right and wrong
As long as it is not informed by the white supremacist tabloid he was reading. Did you miss the parts where we read his thoughts about gay people or welfare queens (dogwhistle for black people)?
I didn't say I agreed with his sense of right or wrong. But it's very solid.
But that's a subjective quality.
The terrorists that flew airplanes into the Twin Towers also had a rock solid sense of right and wrong, but not in the direction that helped anyone.
So yeah, not an admirable quality in vacuum.
Rorschach died because he refused to go along with a scheme to hide the truth from people. That seems universally noble to me.
and a love of beans
Acutely relatable trait
In a similar vein, Grant Morrison on adult fans:
Sauce: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/grant-morrison-psychedelic-superhero-244265/
Well the willing suspension of disbelief is adjusted based on the story being told. If you say there's a made-up kingdom where animals talk in the exposition, that's fine. But if you say it takes place in a world that's basically our own, then one person can randomly shoot lasers from their eyes, you should give some explanation. It doesn't even have to be a particularly good one, but even in-universe people would be asking about that.
Also, I don't usually see these questions asked in an overly critical sense, but rather with a sense of humor or with an eye towards world building. It's about having fun
I know it's a meme but it's more so incels and less the entire male population
There's way way way better and more interesting, more nuanced antiheros out there than the fucking joker too
And well the joker isn’t an “anti-hero” he’s a straight up psychopath
Also that I was just going with the language in the meme
Oh yea I was more adding to your comment not commenting on it, my bad
I'm more of an Avast male myself
Antiheros are supposed to be relatable to some extent. You're supposed to be on their side.
When they talk about how the world is broken and everyone just seems to be accepting it, theyre spot on. When they talk about how we've allowed the worst traits of humanity to flourish and dominate they're saying what we're all thinking. These are the quotes that get shared on boomermemes on Facebook. What doesnt get shared so much is their plan to fix it which involves taking a bus full of toddlers hostage with a bomb.
I think you nailed it. Antiheroes are a power fantasy. If they weren’t relatable, the movie would be boring. I think they also make people feel strong and resilient in comparison: the joker (or whatever) faces some of the same humiliations the viewer faces, but the joker snaps and goes on a rampage while the viewer carries on. The rampage part is the “anti” in antihero. The viewer gets to feel like the hero.
Since when did joker become an anti hero? He's the chaotic evil to Batman's chaotic good.
I always took anti hero to mean bad protagonist. Like in any normal story they're almost definitely the villain, but the story follows them as the main character so we see the world through their eyes.
With this in mind i guess joker became anti hero when he got his own movie
That seems way to general. I wouldn't label Tony Montana or Walter White anti heros.
I thought Batman was just lawful. He serves the interests of the rich and works with the cops.
That's like saying Atticus Finch isn't a hero in To Kill A Mockingbird because you, personally, are racist and don't think fighting for the rights of black people is a noble persuit. A character is a hero in a story if they are good according to the morals implicit in the story's world.
Beating the absolute shit out of people isn't lawful.
Sure it is! He's deputized by the GCPD. And it's part of his personal code.
Dude’s rock did what?
Yeah, I dunno about that. "Anti-hero" is a pretty big trope, not at all limited to mentally ill characters.
Its a big list, but most have at least severe, untreated PTSD.
Punisher comes to mind, Venom as well. Wolverine fits here, along with his memory loss issues.
The "joker" trope from batman is very USA centered too, we don't have that very much in Europe, or so I feel.
Edit I not U
Squats and Laughs in Eastern European.
It's true, pierrots rarely become super villains.
Yeah, no.
Leave me out of this
Stavros_laugh.mp3
You just offended my entire gender.
But yes, that's true and it's bad that about half are fucking idiots.