The fat nerd on youtube is right about it sucking ass, not because of the female lead tho
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Very good faith argument right there, lol.
Seems like the social engineering that Disney has subjected you to has worked well.
The way I see it, they have always used diversity as a shield against any and all criticism leveled at their lazy, corporate, shitty movies based on beloved franchises. Saddest part is that people like whoever made this comic completely gobbled up those talking points, ignoring the fact that these movies genuinely suck and are in no way empowering nor inclusive in any deeper way than on the surface.
I also say this as a woman who has tried several times to get into star wars and failed to find even the original trilogy appealing: every single sloppy movie Disney has shat out the last decade or so, with extreme few exceptions, has been some pandering, childish and condescending bs that makes me as a woman feel talked down to and I hate that they pretend like this is the best women can expect and that any criticism leveled as their piss poor products is supposedly attacks against us women and that Disney is somehow our defenders. Fuck right off.
It is a soulless corporate tactic to use diversity to snuff out conversation and criticism and anyone who falls for that shit is not someone I'd want to know, because ironically, I sincerely doubt a person like that is able to form any independent thought without having the corporate, pre-approved PC talking points fed to them through media.
Hilarious.
The sequel trilogy was bad. Get over it. You want a good female lead in Star Wars? Look at Old Republic video game.
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I've watched the newer Star Wars movies and honestly? I thought the old ones were like kind of all right, nothing I'm absolutely batshit insane in love with but i hate all the ones that came out under disney. I should watch the shows sometime, I haven't watched any of the newer Star Wars shows
Andor and The Clone Wars are a must watch.
The Clone Wars because it covers a huge important period in Star Wars. But be warned, the episode order is not the correct order! If you watch The Clone Wars in episode order you'll be confused! Here's a link to the official story order of The Clone Wars.
Andor because it's probably the best Star Wars series to date. Also the most mature one. The ending of Andor flows directly into the beginning of Rogue One, so if you haven't seen Rogue One yet you can watch that movie as the big finale.
There are other series as well, a mixed bag of good and bad, but you won't miss much ignoring them.
So we can't admit a bad movie is bad because itnhappens to have a female lead?
Is the reason it's bad because it has a female lead? Not without being a misogynist.
If it's for another reason, sure! Ghostbusters 2016 was shit, but not because it had female leads.
This is where these big movie companies are evil geniuses because they make it a point to have these old beloved franchises be remade with women replacing older characters and having them talk about how womanly they are and how shit men are and when people rightfully comment on it being some weird shit, they get called misogynists.
The whole gender and race thing going on within these types of movies are a deliberate distraction to make it impossible to criticize movie companies for making lazy, pandering slop instead of creating something new and worthwhile.
It was worked really well because now all people talk about is identity politics when yet another piece of shit movie is released instead of demanding that the movie companies do their jobs and make good, well told stories with characters people can relate to, not propaganda mouth pieces who have zero character to them other than what they represent in society.
I have actively avoided these movies despite being the target audience for many of them. I just don't care to be pondered to and talked down to like I'm a retard just because I happen to be blessed with boobs and a vomb.
There are plenty of fantastic movies with women in leading roles that are well written and who are facing difficult issues that I would much rather watch than any of the branded slop Disney poops out every year.
Especially the horror genre has a fantastic track record when it comes to interesting and capable female protagonists, but I don't løbe horror because it's a female dominated genre. I love horror because it is one of the only movie genres in this day and age that still tries to make something new, innovative and interesting in movies and the fact that most horror movies are about women, isn't really anything anyone talks about because it isn't what makes the movies interesting. And that really is how diversity should be handled in most movies. Gender, sexuality, color of skin should not be the main attribute of a character because they aren't in real life. Those are just one of many interesting aspects of a person.
I find it to be both unfair and super annoying how the Hollywood industry cultivated this divisive discourse among movie goers for a decade in order to get us to talk about their pos movies, defend or attack them so that they can get their bag, be praised for being forward thinking and ban all negative reviews for "discrimination" when they themselves are the ones creating this environment. They fully know what they are doing. Don't get it twisted. I'm also 99% sure that their movies are money laundering schemes because I don't understand how they can all cost os much money and still come out looking and feeling like bottom of the barrel shit. I have seen Hallmark movies with more ambition than what they produce at Disney.
Which was a movie when anyone who criticized it got labeled an incel
It seemed to be the pioneer of that, yeah. That was the first one where I got "Say you like this, or we can't be friends anymore."
Anyone disingenuous enough to not care why the movie was being criticized wasn't worth paying attention to, anyway.
Ep 7 was ok, but it relied too much on nostalgia. Ep 8 was a clusterfuck of terrible decisions. I didn't watch Ep 9 and I'm happy with that.
Good, you're not missing much.
Went to the Premier. I'm never getting that time back.
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The power of one, the power of maaAAaAAaaAaanyyyyy.
The problem isn't female leads, it' trash-tier writing. Like introducing a self-conscious stormtrooper and then having him unemotionally kill his mates pretty much immediately. Or introducing a nobody and then make her the child of a somehow™️ returned supervillain. Or having your minor villain and your female lead fall in love and then having them pretty much just revert back to where they were before. Or replacing the Death Star with an intergalactic Death Shotgun. The list goes on
The problem isn’t female leads, it’ trash-tier writing.
Worst part about the sequels was the compulsive need to regurgitate elements of the prior series.
- Empire is back, kids!
- Death Star Plus
- And we're back on Tantoine again
- Harrison Ford again
- Getting killed by Discount Darth Vader to buy time to escape the Knock Off Death Star
- Only a direct hit on the main loud farting sounds
There's so much lore from the books and the games and the toys and the cutting room floor of the original movies. And they had a ton of good ideas at the outset. A storm trooper who defects? A six foot tall super trooper in mirror armor? A Sith Lord who isn't stoic and morose, but hot headed and self-destructive? These are cool good ideas!
Shame they got drowned out in Disney fueled nostalgia.
South park has an entire season about this. They basically tried to make the new Star Wars as nostalgic as possible to people who liked the original trilogy.
Wait you mean rebels are gone and the empire too? Let’s do resistance vs first order then. Let’s make a planet that’s almost the same as tatooine. A villain that’s almost the same as Vader, with a similar ending. And the list goes on. Hell let’s even bring a quick force heal (previously unheard of/impossible) from someone who’s totally untrained. That’ll teach em.
But imo the most frustrating part was when Rey at the end decided that she was a Skywalker. Like, what??? They could have made it end with “Rey who? Just Rey” to mean that we aren’t defined by out family’s actions, but instead she decided she belonged to someone’s family she hardly knows.
It was lack of common direction through the trilogy. JJ set up his signature mystery boxes in the first movie, only for Rian to ignore those and leave nothing to work with for the next one.
I believe the reason why Palpatine somehow returned was because Rian killed off Snoke, and they really needed some big baddie Kylo and Rey could team up against so Kylo could have his redemption arc.
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A thousand times this. People hate bad female actors not because they are female but because they are bad actors.
Kal el no
Sometimes, but more often bad writing can make a great actress look like a bad female actor.
Natalie Portman can act, but those prequels were rough on her reputation. The camp value od the prequels wasn't immediately apparent and it was rough on her.
I remember someone saying that they thought Ewan McGregor and Liam Neesan were great, and the response was 'yeah, in Trainspotting and Schindlers list.'
Some people just hate women and they suck, but often the something with a female lead just sucks. It sucks that the former complicates the latter.
I'll note that the exact same thing happened to Hayden Christensen. His reputation took a big hit for being the guy who portrayed Anakin Skywalker. He was in the same boat Natalie Portman was and weathered the same storm. The older actors were able to weather it better because they'd had successful projects prior, the younger actors didn't have that.
Here's the problem with the Strong Female Character^(R)^: They are never found in movies made out of genuine creative vision. A Strong Female Character^(R)^ is always the lead character in a movie whose production has been authorized for the purposes of monetizing an intellectual property the studio has rights to that polling data shows would be popular among the 18-24 demographic within the next 16 months, and the writers and casting directors are hereby ordered to pander to the attached list of races, genders and sexual orientations as per the company Never Offend Anyone Ever policy.
Movies that were made to bring a cool idea to life tend to have better characters in them, because their characteristics are story telling devices and not business decisions. Stunt casting is ALWAYS a business decision.
Wasn't the woman from the Twilight movies accused of being a terrible actress and it nearly ruined her career, until she started getting other roles and her reputation turned right around. She even commented on it saying "Yeaaaah.. Bella was a garbage nothing of a character. I did everything they asked of me, she's just that terrible."
Kristen Stewart I think her name was?
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Its how they do the female leads. They still have to be "hot," of course. And in order to be "strong?" Well obviously masculinity is the strong gender, and OBVIOUSLY masculinity is toxic. So a "strong female character" is either just toxic masculinity with a pretty face pasted on, or a beige parody of stoicism.
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I don't know, man. Without watching any reviews or commentaries I could have listed numerous issues with the sequel trilogy right after watching the individual movies. Sure, there were some I missed that only added oil to the fire, but it was still extremely obvious that the movies are horrendous.
Some people, perhaps a good number, do in fact blindly follow influencers' opinions and hate what they hate. This, however, in no capacity affects the fact that those movies are pieces of garbage. Whether you've come to this conclusion yourself, or you learned about it from someone else, the simple fact remains.
There's also another point to consider. Movie reviews and analyses are very common. Name any movie and there's nearly a guarantee that there are at least a few people analyzing their details and posting the findings on YouTube or elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with watching those videos and having them affect your opinion on the movie.
Personally, I've watched many different reviews, critiques and analyses of various movies, including Star Wars. In many cases, my opinion of the movies was improved due to broader context, technical details such as how VFX were made, plot elements I might have missed or other valuable information that may or may not have been obvious to me when first watching. I think this is a perfectly natural phenomenon. You like something, so you dive deeper to learn more, leading to you liking it more or less in the process.
However, in the case of most recent Star Wars movies, there's usually no additional context or details to learn, other than "the director changed 8 times and none of those 8 people knew what they were doing". You wouldn't know that from watching the movie, and personally, I think it's perfectly acceptable to give extra criticism to the company, based on external information.
At the end of the day, it's another corporation ruining what people love and this sole fact is enough to feel angry and spread negative sentiment towards that company. They 100% deserve it. Just make sure to hate the company and not other fans.
Rogue one was the peak
Andor, especially season 2.
This would be a better comic if they chose a franchise that hadn't been enshittified to the nth degree.
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What are apostrophes expensive now?
They cost the same as a comma to go between "what" and "are."
Star Wars comes to mind immediately.
What's funny is I liked Rey as a character and the first movie was fine, but it quickly went downhill with the next two and I haven't watched any of them since.
But I've probably watched Rogue One about a dozen times so far and it's one of the best modern Star Wars movie we've had.
A crap movie is a crap movie. Just sucks to get tossed in the incel pile because incels hate a specific movie too.
Star Wars comes to mind immediately.
I wonder if that's because the comic is about Star Wars...
and I haven't watched any of them since.
No one has, since they don't exist.
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Havent seen anything newer than episode 7, but that one was kinda mid so I didnt even care to watch the newer ones.
Episode 8 had one scene that was really cool to look at
But it comes with opening a lot of plot holes and asking questions we were better off ignoring.spoiler
When they hyperdrived one ship into another
Episode 9 is just garbage writing start to finish though. And garbage marketing when you remember they announced
through fortnite.important plot point
The return of palpatine
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Has enough time passed since Disney marketed TLJ as being about "strong women" that we can now discuss the misogyny present in the works of Rian Johnson?
The plotlines of the male characters in TLJ made sense. The female characters on the other hand, have no cohesive motivation and they only exist to serve the plotlines of the male characters. Well I guess Rey was motivated to "fix" an abusive asshole after seeing him with his shirt off, but seems slightly problematic to me. But after that she's relegated to a support role of distracting TIE fighters and moving rocks around while the men try to accomplish the main objective while trying to overcome the obstacles caused by emotional women. Rey could've easily blown up the laser since she's in the Millenium Falcon, the ship that blew up a Death Star. But that's not a woman's role, so she's on support duty. Leia has to hide in a bunker after being in a coma half the movie so there could be a Poe mutiny plotline. The incompetent woman he mutinied against is disposed of shortly after that plotline came to a pointless end. Done with that one, get rid of her! Holdo's plan involved engineers, but she didn't tell Rose her plan. What was Rose's job again? Rian Johnson apparently forgot. She's a woman she exists solely to be an obstacle for the male characters to overcome. Things only work out when the women learn their place and stay in the bunker or maybe go around back and move some rocks around or whatever. Facing evil is a man's job!
Shouldn't be that shocking since it was made by the guy who made Looper, where he fridges Bruce Willis's wife so hard that it breaks the whole premise of the movie. Like the whole premise is that in the future, the mafia can't murder people because future CSI catches them every time. But how can Rian Johnson give the male character motivation if according to the premise of the movie, they can't murder his wife in front of him? Ah well, fuck the premise, fridge the wife. It's a Rian Johnson movie so no one will question it I guess?
Why does no one talk about this?
Are we still believing the marketing Disney did to compensate for the rampant misogyny inherent in Rian Johnson's writing?
Going to disagree with the foundation, the motivation of the male characters didn't make sense either. Luke Skywalker, who found the good in his own father who was a genocidal maniac, considered murdering his nephew in his sleep. Dumbest thing I've ever seen. Then was so sad about it that he abandoned the galaxy. Yeah that sounds like a thorough understanding of Luke Fuckin Skywalker. Rian Johnson was a moron making that trash.
why you pluralize
Check their she hulk reviews for their baromoter. That was when I lost my patience with Den of Nerds.
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I haven't watched a star wars movie since the one with the high ground.
I mean the sequels deserve a majority of the criticism they received. They were safe, retreaded what the original trilogy did, and have no lasting cultural impact.
Rouge One always had a female lead and was fantastic. Actually added something into the series in a meaningful way and is beloved by fans.
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