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Data poisoning: how artists are sabotaging AI to take revenge on image generators::As AI developers indiscriminately suck up online content to train their models, artists are seeking ways to fight back.

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[–] gaiussabinus@lemmy.world 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This system runs on the assumption that A) massive generalized scraping is still required B) You maintain the metadata of the original image C) No transformation has occurred to the poisoned picture prior to training(Stable diffusion is 512x512). Nowhere in the linked paper did they say they had conditioned the poisoned data to conform to the data set. This appears to be a case of fighting the last war.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 16 points 9 months ago

It is likely a typo, but "last AI war" sounds ominous πŸ˜…

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago

Takes image, applies antialiasing and resize

Oh, look at that, defeated by the completely normal process of preparing the image for training

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately for them there’s a lot of jobs dedicated to cleaning data so I’m not sure if this would even be effective. Plus there’s an overwhelming amount of data that isn’t β€œpoisoned” so it would just get drowned out if never caught

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Imagine if writers did the same things by writing gibberish.

At some point, it becomes pretty easy to devalue that content and create other systems to filter it.

[–] scorpious@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

if writers did the same things by writing gibberish.

Aka, β€œX”

[–] books@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I mean isn't that eventually going to happen? Isn't ai going to eventually learn and get trained from ai datasets and small issues will start to propagate exponentially?

I just assume we have a clean dataset preai and messy gross dataset post ai... If it keeps learning from the latter dataset it will just get worse and worse, no?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Not really. It's like with humans. Without the occasional reality checks it gets weird, but what people chose to upload is a reality check.

The pre-AI web was far from pristine, no matter how you define that. AI may improve matters by increasing the average quality.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] zwaetschgeraeuber@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

nightshade and glaze never worked. its scam lol

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 22 points 9 months ago

Artists and writers should be entitled to compensation for using their works to train these models, just like any other commercial use would. But, you know, strict, brutal free-market capitalism for us, not the mega corps who are using it because "AI".

[–] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Let's see how long before someone figures out how to poison, so it returns NSFW Images

[–] daxnx01@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can create NSFW ai images already though?

Or did you mean, when poisoned data is used a NSFW image is created instead of the expected image?

[–] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 8 points 9 months ago

Definitely the last one!

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

companies would stumble all over themselves to figure out how to get it to stop doing that before going live. source: they already are. see bing image generator appending "ethnically ambiguous" to every prompt it receives

it would be a herculean if not impossible effort on the artists' part only to watch the corpos scramble for max 2 weeks.

when will you people learn that you cannot fight AI by trying to poison it. there is nothing you can do that horny weebs haven't already done.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

It can only target open source, so it wouldn't bother corpos at all. The people behind this object to not everything being owned and controlled. That's the whole point.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So it sounds like they are taking the image data and altering it to get this to work and the image still looks the same just the data is different. So, couldn't the ai companies take screenshots of the image to get around this?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The general term for this is adversarial input, and we've seen published reports about it since 2011 when ot was considered a threat if CSAM could be overlayed with secondary images so they weren't recognized by Google image filters or CSAM image trackers. If Apple went through with their plan to scan private iCloud accounts for CSAM we may have seen this development.

So far (AFAIK) we've not seen adversarial overlays on CSAM though in China the technique is used to deter trackng by facial recognition. Images on social media are overlaid by human rights activists / mischief-makers so that social media pics fail to match secirity footage.

The thing is like an invisible watermark, these processes are easy to detect (and reverse) once users are aware they're a thing. So if a generative AI project is aware that some images may be poisoned, it's just a matter of adding a detection and removal process to the pathway from candidate image to training database.

Similarly, once enough people start poisoning their social media images, the data scrapers will start scaning and removing overlays even before the database sets are sold to law enforcement and commercial interests.

[–] neurogenesis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

Fighting the uphill battle to irrelevance ..

[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Feeding garbage to the garbage. How fitting.

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