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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 50 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Divorcing analysis of authority from analysis of class always results in these blanket condemnations of authority. This is self-defeating, though, and results in equating the majority taking power from the capitalists with capitalists oppressing the majority.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 32 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Only state violence is actual violence! Kulaks enslaving peasants and starving them to the point that their life expectancy is 28 years of age is just basic economics! /s

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

One thing I learned from my grandpa: "the Kulaks deserved it!"

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago

Based as hell.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 days ago

They unironically believe this.

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[–] Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Famously nobody got arrested in droves for protesting the war on terror.

I measure a movement by its achievements, not by its arrested

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 43 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'm just as much a socialist as you, but all of my positions conveniently line up with the US State Department's and the only through line is violently enforcing white supremacy. Stand back while I use the word "tankie" smuglord

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 27 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'd honestly respect people more if they just admitted to being social democrats or liberals instead of trying to be this halfway house thing of socialism/communism with liberal democratic characteristics. Very common here on Lemmy.

As far as I can tell, the tankies are the ones whose ideas line up most closely with real world communist organisations. I can't think of any serious communist parties that are anti-China, anti-USSR, pro-NATO, and so on.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago

It's Baby's First Thought Terminating Cliche. I can't hear it without remembering that perennial tweet about someone's grandfather being the most steadfast anticommunist they know because he's illiterate and communist propaganda could never reach him.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

MLM/Maoist parties like the Naxalites tend to be anti-China and still "serious" in that they wage protracted people's war, organize in real life, etc, but they are generally pro-USSR (Stalin era) and anti-NATO. I disagree with them theoretically but I will acknowledge that some of them have seen some degree of success when the material conditions of the countries they operate in are more agrarian (and as a result have more similarities with China's revolution, the closer they are the greater the degree of success).

ML parties generally agree with what you said, ie pro-USSR, pro-PRC, anti-NATO.

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[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 25 points 5 days ago

"I'm a socialist, that's why I believe in milquetoast reformism for western capitalist nations but for radical regime change in socialist China"

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