Yeah, the Steam Frame is one of those things where no matter what it'll end up costing (realistically) I'm going to buy one.
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i feel like steam is gonna sell them at a good price even if they are gonna make a loss on them, because gaben is tuff like that
They are definitely not selling the Gabe cube at a loss. The steam deck could be sold at a loss, because people will buy steam games for it, but the steam machine is a PC, and there would be nothing stopping, for example, corporations buying thousands as cheap workstations that will never see a single steam purchase.
There's actually a huge thing stopping corporations from buying them in bulk as workstations:
They're only sold on Steam, directly by Valve, then shipped to you.
Just like all other Valve hardware.
You... need a Steam account.
And they can very easily just say 'one per person!'
People need to stop with this 'companies will buy them in bulk and fuck everything up!' line of logic.
It makes almost 0 sense.
A company would only be able to do that by setting up a system of fraudulent accounts on Steam, which would violate the TOS individually, and potentially be quite illegal collectively.
You won't be able to buy a new Steam Machine, at Valve's MSRP, at Walmart, or Best Buy, or NewEgg, or MicroCenter.
You might be able eventually find some on Amazon, or Walmart's online stores, something like that, but those will be from resellers of dubious sourcing methods, and they will be charging more than MSRP.
EDIT:
Also, by your own logic, Valve could sell the Steam Machine at a loss, and make it up on increased game sales... if they could do that with the Steam Deck.
To what precise extent, who knows... but ... that is your own logic there, and it still works for the Steam Machine too.
Or, they could kind of do the inverse and give you I dunno, $50 or $100 steam bucks for buying steam games, alongside buying a frame.
Basically just your Machine comes with a Steam Gift Card.
To totally clarify: I have not heard anyone official say they are or could do that... but... they could, its hardly impossible.
A company would only be able to do that by setting up a system of fraudulent accounts on Steam, which would violate the TOS individually, and potentially be quite illegal collectively.
And a huge hassle just to end up with a bunch of unsupported hardware
The post (and replies) are about the VR headset (steam frame), not the gabecube.
Unless the price is ridiculously low, corporations are not buying thousands of anything without a support contract. Next day repairs/exchanges and priority support are a must when dealing with hardware at scale, and Valve is not going to offer that.
Dell/Lenovo/HP are already more expensive than consumer-grade hardware from Best Buy unless you are a very large customer. Companies pay for reliability, warranty and support.
It happened to the Playstation, though not for use as workstations usually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster
Although Valve apparently already takes anti-scalping measures with the Steam Deck, so maybe it could work out in that way (as in, each steam account gets a limited number of purchases, TOS against trying to bypass that limit, etc).
Those PlayStation supercomputers were wild. I don't think it's analogous to the various bits of Steam hardware coming out though, since Valve sells directly through Steam. You can't order anything by the pallet.
The other thing to consider is that the PS3 was used for clustered computing primarily because of the Cell processor. I have no recollection of why the cell processor performed better on certain types of problems. PS3 wasn't being used for Excel spreadsheets, it was used for niche academic use and that one Air Force supercomputer. The Steam hardware though uses pretty standard hardware, AMD processor and Radeon graphics card.
Considering the added friction of buying through Steam, i doubt it will have same draw.
Me too. From what I've heard meta hardware is great, but I wouldn't take one for free.
I'd rather go without VR than get a meta headset which is why I haven't had one for years despite interest in it. I plan to get steam frame. Not sure if at launch if price is too steep, but eventually if it gets discounted after a year.
Same. I would never buy a quest, and the frame is what I was hoping something like it would come along.
Except I made the mistake of telling this to my buddy, boisterously, in a group. And he had apparently bought one awhile back and didn't tell anyone 🙃
My Quest 2 is fucken garbage when using Steam Link and it never was before. No idea whats going down. I cant wait for the Steam Frame and Controllers. Its going to be so wonderful gaming on Linux.
Every update just breaks something a little more. I literally only want a Frame for the software. If I could flash the Quest 3 to run the Frame's OS? I'd risk bricking my headset to do so. Fuck Meta.
Some finance stuff fell through recently for me and I will no longer be getting any of the steam hardware when it comes out. Maybe next year.
Was interested in a Steam Machine, but it will probably cost $1000 with the way parts are going. Looks like I'll be sticking with my old hardware for the foreseeable future!
Every time I see a post about it, I'm hoping the pre-orders opened. Fucking take my money already!!
I think (just like with the Deck) I'm going to wait for a year or two and let you brave Guinea Pigs let me know if they're worth getting.
You can also wait for an impulsive guinea pig to sell it to you "as new, barely used" by then. Even cheaper if a successor is out.
I've never had a VR headset, and this is the first one I am considering as it feels like we are finally out of "First Gen" VR and we have moved into the product space of VR that is not clunky and burdonsome.
With that said - convince me to get one.
I have a killer PC for playing at my desk, and a Steamdeck for playing on my couch. What will I actually gain? I don't really have the space in my apartment for things that require moving around, and I don't really care for VRchat type social experiences. Is there anything about the platform that I will actually use, or will it become an expensive dust collector hanging on the side of my desk? I have a hard time coming up with something that will actually add value. The only thing I really want to play is Half Life Alyx because I love the series and it's the only thing I haven't played.
if you dont get one i will come for you in your sleep
Well one would get a VR headset to play VR games. If you're not going to play VR games on the VR headset then it really isn't worth you getting one.
Yeah but what are some good VR games? This is the part I am having a hard time justifying. I never hear about good VR games. Beatsaber? Super Hot? Like... I love the Steamdeck because there is a plethora of 10/10 indie games that run awesome on it. It feels to me like the VR game library is very lacking in that sense. Like are there "Must play - 10/10" games that are VR only? What is the "Hollow Knight" of VR?
One of the lesser known applications for VR is for seated simulation type games. I personally have spent hundreds of hours playing games like Elite Dangerous, Microsoft Flight Simulator, and a few racing titles in VR. The sense of presence from VR makes them far more immersive and actually improves situational awareness.
Probably Pavlov it's basically just CoD multiplayer, plus a less janky Gary's Mod, in VR. I've just check my stats and I have months worth of play time. It's also a hell of a workout.
The trailers on the steam page don't really do it justice. It's mostly about the community.
If you're into racing there's also Gran Turismo, I'm pretty sure Euro truck / American truck simulator also supports VR, as of course does Elite Dangerous and if you're prepared to buy into it Star Citizen.
There's also loads and loads of indie games but I don't really know about those because my VR experience has been exclusively PlayStation limited, where those titles are not available. But I do know that ultra wings is extremely good because I've played it on a friend's headset.
I normally wouldn't say I was particularly interested in the VR chat style community playroom thing either but I had a lot of fun with Rec Room which is essentially the same thing but is available on PlayStation. The problem with those games is they tend to have a lot of kids in them who shouldn't really be in there since most of those games are 18 plus. But I take the view that if they're in there, then they're fair play, and you can just shoot them if they're being annoying.
Oh and there's a dungeons and dragons simulator which is very good. If you're into dungeons and dragons. Oh and loads of poker games.
Sorry this is a bit rambly, I just keep thinking of titles I've played over the years.
The thing about VR games is they don't tend to get huge advertising budgets because it's still quite a niche market so it looks like there isn't really a lot of options. But if you actually have a look on the VR page there's loads. There's even quite a good VR MMO who's name I can't quite remember, but that's quite good, if kind of dated looking.
This was the type of information I was looking for, no need to apologize for being rambly. I'm going to look into these games and use them to weight my decision. Of course this all kind of hinges on the price of the frame. If the price point is right, it might be the platform that finally gets me to buy into VR, but I'm still very skeptical.
Honestly, one of main motivators is throwing money at things that use Arm arch for gaming. It's clearly the future and Apple silicon has forced the hand of a lot of developers to make business apps for Arm. But the steam frame feels like the first thing to make gaming on Arm mainstream. Baby steps, right? If the frame drums up enough development for games running natively on Arm, then maybe the next steam deck will be arm, and it will be super fucking awesome. Valve has spoken about not wanting to make a Steamdeck 2 until there is a "generational" leap. Arm arch would do that. It just needs people to develop for it (without using amd64 emulation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2W0N3uKXmo
Half Life Alyx is considered by many THE VR experience to be had, if you want to try what's this all about. I've seen it phrased this way a few times.
Hey, you do realize that the steam frame isn't going to have enough horsepower to run full pcvr vrchat on it's own right? You'll still be about to run the Android version, but that's just the quest version still.
Now if you plan to stream from your full gaming PC it'll be great, but realize that the frame itself is a little less powerful than a steamdeck which can barely handle full PC VRChat in desktop mode.
Don't get me wrong, day one purchase for me too.
Same. Just sold my Index in anticipation
Why tho ? They'll have to remove my knuckles from my dead hands!! I plan to make the knuckles work with the frame in any case. But yes. I'm buying the frame and the controller, no doubts about that either
Uh......what was that about a snuggle session? LOL.
Also, people kick out others for being on Quest? Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest? You can launch all SteamVR games via SteamLink to the Quest headset. I have a Quest 2 and use it for pretty much only streaming from my PC over WiFi from my Linux PC.
"Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest?"
oh if it where only that simple my sweet summer child :(. my laptop cant... run anything lol
I feel the exact same. I have a Quest 3S, and I can’t wait to dump it immediately as soon as I get a Frame.