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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well at least it has buttons.

Still shant replace my Nokia e90 and n900 for gathering dust.

No mobile phone used here since Edward Snowden confirmed they're listening.

... But at least it has buttons.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That long? Youre brave man. Nearly impossible to live normally and travel without a smartphone that can get the latest airline app and hotel key card app, I hate it but thats how it is.

Don't your family and friends think youre insane? My friends cant fathom that I want to use signal instead of Snapchat or fb messenger because its hard and scary and "dark web". Any link from the fediverse ive ever sent them they are terrified of because they think it's the dark web. Its hilarious.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Would you actively call up murderous thieves and criminals and con-men to tell them everything about you and your friends, let them in on your every conversation, even tell them your exact location and even your innermost unuttered thoughts, constantly?

I don't see why it's more sane to do it passively, letting the corporation and their spook friends conveniently do that for you.

I used to work in advertising [before Bill Hicks saved me, just as I got into TV adverts]. I was "just doing my job", to the best of my ability, to serve my client, maximally manipulating minds, perverting perceptions, preferences and purchases. This was years before smart phones. My meagre team of two still managed to shape public perception, changed the culture. The things I would have done had I had the data available via the spyware so normalised today. The things I would have done had I had the millions of resources the corporations and governments have. I avoid such because I'm effectively a whistle blower for the advertising industry, and reformed abuser of peoples minds. And I'm of sufficient ethical and moral fiber to have got out. The ruthless psychopaths who are happily still doing it, are not going to hold back. Hijacking peoples minds, their perceptions, their preferences, and not just their purchases, but their purpose, is frighteningly easier than you (have been conditioned to) think. It's much harder to de-program people back into a cognitively-competent free-thinking de-hypnotised state. It's easy to subliminally suggest associations, drip-fed over time, without them realising. "90% of advertising is wasted" we used to say, before it was targeted. And that was fine. That was still sufficient efficiency. The other 90% wasn't for you, it was for other people. None of it was really wasted, if it was done well. Would you actively tell an advertiser, a mind-manipulator, a con-man striving to serve their master who wants to extract all wealth from you and exact total control over you, everything about you? If so, the hour may be later than you've been led to think.

The fear of what other people think is a powerful induction to get people even more easily manipulated into group-think. Then advertising/psyop costs drop dramatically. People succumb to mass-formation, where they police each others thoughts for the advertiser/psyop-agency. This is the psychology of totalitarianism, not just so duped to be so suggestible, but in a runaway state of delusion where any and all atrocities are seen as necessary virtues in service of "the one true way", with the limbic reactive portions at the back of the brain responsible for fear reflex have completely taken over from the forebrain where more reasonable responsible creative and critical thinking can happen. And a mobile phone can easily be used to actively emit inaudible frequencies to tweak these brainwaves, much the same as sound therapy works, but when it's also able to actively read the feedback from all the biometrics, it's like a cold-reading conman with thousands of times more information and insight into what your inner experience is than the most competent and ruthless mentalist. Able to play you better than Vanessa Mae plays the fiddle. A little nudge here, and there, a script to respond to this or that thought had with this or that association... and all the billions of resources to deploy it...

No I don't have a mobile phone. I know what I would have done with it when it was still "just my job" to maximally manipulate people with it. I know (just some of) what potential is probably being used. Heck, just look at the groupthink and silly notions like fearing emancipatory-potentialled open-web technology such as the fediverse as if it's the big scary deep dark-web... Cui Bono? Ever had the experience of receiving an advert for something you've been speaking about? Or how about just thinking about? But that's fine. Nothing to worry about. Maybe the corporation cares. And maybe somehoe the psychopathic structure, and the psychopathic self-selecting, somehow did not happen for the bits that reach you, and everything's fine.

If everybody else around went and jumped off a cliff, would you follow?

Better jump. Wouldn't want them to think you're insane for not jumping with them.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

While I admire that, most people, myself included, have way too much going on in life to get into all the underground tech stuff. And im done convincing friends or family to change. Its never going to happen.

If I only run linux on all my pcs and also get a light phone, thats great, but everyone else I communicate with is on corpo net, so really it makes no difference. The population is dumb and tired, and there's no way back. People refuse to even look at Terminal if they had to fix something in linux. They've been spoon fed, and theyre patience is long gone. Its over, and there's a very very tiny subset of us who can or will resist.

Also you are quite well spoken and I appreciate your comment, but to a normal person you would likely come off as a complete nutjob-not to be mean, but thats how it is.

Good luck in your future!

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I decline the implicit invite to complicity in the degeneracy via defeatism. ;)

I appreciate the good luck, and acknowledgement of the difficulty of the situation.

We can still mend this.

For one example for a glimmer of hope, the FSF announced a few months back, https://www.fsf.org/news/librephone-project to make low level free software for phones. Couple that with those seeking to make free software operating system interfaces for phones, and those seeking to make phones with right to repair... and things are not so dark. Increasing awareness still grows. The tighter the rotters squeeze, the more slip through the fingers. We are in a lot of trouble, but we can still mend this.

The recent changes to M$ windoze has created another wave of windows refugees... many of them are finding it astonishing how much their new GNU+Linux operating system respects them, ... some are even getting into a Free Software philosophy, eager to learn, to give back, asking not what linux can do for them, but what they can do for free software, getting out of the atrophied-ability trap of consumerist stockholm syndrome.

More integrity in sounding like a nut-job, planting honest seeds, hoping one day they take root, than deploying the skills I learned in advertising to manipulate people. All part of the message, by example. Maybe a few more nutjobs will drop their masks that perpetuate the normalised degeneracy.

Anyhoo,

Thanks for that reply. Good stuff. Well... better than an attack for being a nutjob windbag. ;D

Cheers.

Mendwards! :)

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That is good! There is some hope. Not in my town or friend group but hopefully elsewhere !

You must be a very interesting person. Thanks for the reply

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

That is good! There is some hope. Not in my town or friend group but hopefully elsewhere !

Dormant fertile ground... locked imbalanced past a mending tipping point yet to be reached.

Difficult to see, to predict, what seeds are needed to restore growth and have minds bloom again.

Many stressors chemical, physical, and emotional, maintain the prisons they know, and the prisons they do not realise exist in them.

The complexity can overwhelm courage and hope, but under all that, there are still many deeply evolved systems to recouperate by, and the mends may be far nearer in reach, with less intervention required, certainly than the entirety of the intricacies.

Which splinter in their paw to remove, that enables the cascade to mends, I know not, from here, down in the mini-me consciousness without access to omniscience... and perhaps even if in omniscience, may know some better karmic processing due to proceed than to interfere... though that's not to say it's either for sure mendable, nor for sure impossible.

It's merely necessary to do.

Mendwards! :D

You must be a very interesting person. Thanks for the reply

Eeeehehehehe. Ego tickles.

Everybody's interesting. Just some hide it, some have been marred by the manipulations. (Sorry each and all, again, for my prior part in doing that.).

... Ego still wants to explore my special very interestingness... ha! Got many metrics to corroborate that notion... but that derailment likely wouldn't help, the issue here, nor my interestingness. Can't get there from here. ;D

[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 3 points 2 days ago

Love that design.

[–] IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

According to the support ticket I put in last week when I saw the first post about this, the bootloader will be unlockable. Or, at least that's what they said. So here's hoping we see nice debloated/de-googled ROMs.

At the very least, it should be immediately rootable with Magisk.

It has a MediaTek chip, so I wouldn't be so optimistic about custom ROMs, but as you said, at least you could root it and de-Google

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Android 16, $399, 170g, blackberry-like keyboard, "companion" to a bigger phone or can be used as a main phone, 4000 mah presumably non-removable. It does have a wired headphone port, props for that. Main purpose seems to be to declutter the comms apps such as messaging, plus make typing easier with the blackberry keyboard. Meh. I have a full sized but skinny Bluetooth keyboard that weighs a lot less and was like $10.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I think the main purpose is probably to provide a more-usable "dumbphone" experience. I know a lot of people (myself included) who would love to doomscroll less, but need a more full-fat version of Android for work or family. Using Digital Wellbeing and the like gets part of the way there, but not the whole way. With this, the weird aspect ratio means that pretty much all video is going to be letterboxed to a crazy extent, which could be enough to make bypassing those controls feel pointless. And then they used that extra space for a physical keyboard, which is genius. If this thing had a better camera, I'd be all in.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's weird how it's being advertised as a second phone - it looks like it has the same capabilities of any other android phone? Just a smaller screen and a physical keyboard

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They're afraid to go full bore advertising it as a minimalist alternative. If they weren't, they would have offered more thoughtful features beyond the (admittedly great) notifications-only home screen. But that's secretly who this phone is for. I am sure they're just afraid to pigeonhole it. Calling it a second phone is silly and will sell it to about 50 people but it leaves any other potential buyer to interpret what it is and why they might want it for themselves. It's a...whatever strategy.

I know why I want it, and the early bird price (slash threat of the higher price later) is certainly compelling, but:

  1. I just put a fresh Clicks case on my existing phone
  2. I just paid that phone off and I don't see any need to upgrade
  3. I ordered a Clicks Power Keyboard or whatever they're calling the other thing they announced at the same time (and doesn't that purchase contributing to diverting me from the Communicator suggest they're cannibalizing their own moment by announcing both at the same time?) so I'll have that as well as my fresh Clicks classic case to buy me further years (one hopes) with my current phone and
  4. I expect that when my phone DOES finally die, yes, I will absolutely look at the Communicator if it's still around / affordable used (which it should be since it's affordable new). At that time, it'll also have come out and been reviewed extensively, so there also won't be any guesswork in whether it's worth picking up.
[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They’re afraid to go full bore advertising it as a minimalist alternative. If they weren’t, they would have offered more thoughtful features beyond the (admittedly great) notifications-only home screen. But that’s secretly who this phone is for. I am sure they’re just afraid to pigeonhole it. Calling it a second phone is silly and will sell it to about 50 people but it leaves any other potential buyer to interpret what it is and why they might want it for themselves. It’s a…whatever strategy.

I do think there is also just an aspect of the people running this company living in a bit of a tech bubble where they are constantly changing their phones and carrying around multiple at the same time. The "second phone" thing gets pushed constantly by tech YouTubers like Michael Fisher (who is behind Clicks), so much so that the term "daily driver" has become normal lexicon for these people. No one in the real world talks about their phone like this, it's just our phone. We don't have another one, unless it's an older model sitting in a drawer somewhere. I'm not sure YouTubers understand this, though.

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

100%. His handle on social media is CaptainTwoPhones, haha. It's a positively, ridiculously insulated angle. But I don't think they're entirely naive, either. I think he even acknowledged in the announcement that it's a pretty uncommon, upper-crust, eNtHuSiAsT thing to do. I can only speak for myself, but I find the notion of being so engulfed in obsession with these horrible little gadgets that if you keep two of them on you for any reason except being a professional tech reviewer or needing a second one for your job...that is, if you carry two phones just for the love of phones...well, that's extremely off-putting to me to the degree that I have nothing polite to say about it, and I think I just should stop myself instead. I know life is short and it's unsavory to 'yuck someone else's yum'. But. Meh.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the element of it that I don't particularly like is how they frame themselves as people who value their time and mental health because they carry around a second, intentionally limited device. They kind of play this "social media is really bad, phones are really addictive" angle but then they don't actually give up on any of that stuff because they still have their extremely expensive high-end folding phone on them at all times as well. It all feels so performative to me, like they're not actually willing to make sacrifices themselves but still want the social cred/respect from pretending to be aware of the problem and part of the solution. But they're not, really, because they're entertaining this fantasy where phone addicts can magically get their lives back without changing their relationship with phones. If anything, they are contributing to the problem by encouraging people to buy and use even more devices.

I much prefer the anti-addiction/"minimal" phones that are either a) very small or b) have an e-ink screen, but are still marketed as an actual phone (not a "secondary" device). Those manufacturers intentionally put up walls to frustrate and force the owner to change their habits and re-wire their brain, rather than pushing this fake "you can have your cake and eat it too" philosophy to combating addiction.

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, you're absolutely right.

Right now I'm super interested in the Minimal Phone, and the SLEKE Phone, and to a lesser extent the Communicator (lesser of course because but for its wonky screen size, it can essentially 'do' everything a smartphone does). I understand the Minimal Phone's often clunky compromises and that it can also technically install any Android app but as you said, the amount of friction introduced by the e-ink screen is severe enough one would hope it would help. If I had to pick one to buy today, it would almost be the SLEKE phone, because to me the idea of simply perma-banning all the apps I struggle to keep deleted myself seems just about perfect, and they also have a Communicator-esque 'notification-forward' home screen with no icons trying to incentivize you to open apps just to pass time. The one and only thing holding me back is that because they've de-Googled the phone, they appear to have broken Android Auto, and in the spirit of not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, I'm not too proud to say I don't find GPS mapping to be a terrible drain on my life (even though it's increasingly used as a data point about a kind of thinking that has atrophied in our modern-age brains) and I simply will not give up its inclusion in my car. I know Garmin still exists, but...that's just a little too boutique, even for me. Any in-car mapping solution I've ever used short of Android Auto and Apple CarPlay has taken way too long to input or adjust destinations, been to quirky (I'm specifically thinking of a BMW I once borrowed and its awful built-in nav), and of course, AA and AC give you that 'single pane of glass' to manage not only your maps but also your music / podcasts / audiobooks through. I just can't give that up for a minimalist phone.

But if SLEKE can figure out how to add AA back in, I'd jump ship on my old iPhone the second my Clicks Power Keyboard arrives in the Spring.

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've never heard of SLEKE. I love how many companies are approaching these problems from different angles. The solution can be quite personal so it's good to have some variety and nuance there instead of just being forced to switch back to a dumbphone.

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I heard of it from this video. The video creator is too much for me like 30% of the time but I think there's very often decent information in his content. His energy is just up there.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think the home screen is just Niagra launcher

[–] BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It's made in collaboration with them, but Fisher claimed it was made for the phone.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish it kept the square screen but the keyboard was a slider.

[–] cr0n1c@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

FYI if you like the UI in the promo, just download Niagara. It's minimalistic and one-handed. The pay wall limits customization, though. Also, there's phone cases that have keyboards built in if you miss your black berry. Here's my home screen/ ui:

Edit: I use viral as my icon pack

Also swype based keyboards are fucking amazing if you work with your hands.

[–] RedC@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The pay wall is actually insane! I bought my lifetime license back when it was 10ish dollars. But I just went to try to get the license for wife, ~45 dollars?!

Plus I do believe I remember being able to do more in the unpaid version back when I had it, now my wife can't change clock, show weather, change icons etc etc without paying.

Their last update was the "artistic" update, with new wallpapers "designed by real artists just for us". The wallpapers are very sus (ai) in my eyes. Not much has happened on the update front new feature wise for quite a while, just lots of customization.

I genuinely love this launcher, and I would find it hard to go back, but it is sad to see it go the way I see it going.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Jeez, even $10 is pricy. I think I paid $5 for nova, and that took some thought. I have only bought a handful of apps in the last like... 17 years? Most expensive was fairemail (I actually bought it twice, one from the website, one from the play store) at like, $7? But that has a feature set that nobody can touch, it's better than Thunderbird on the desktop imo. So $10 for a launcher is absolutely wild.

E: and $45 is more than what I pay for most AAA games lol

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[–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (9 children)

The biggest red flag is it’s a lot of the same folks who put out fxtec pro and that was a bit of a shit show, I’m excited but I’m sure as fuck not going to preorder

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Something like this had already been produced as an even "dumber" phone: https://www.thelightphone.com/shop

Light phone has been around for a while. I guess this thing would be like a next step up.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I've been looking for a mobile Linux terminal so I can ssh without hunt and peck, if this was under $200, it looks like it would be perfect...

Edit: If anyone had a recommendation for a non-build-your-own (I'm not in a living position where I can diy) mobile dumb terminal, I'm all ears!

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Same company sells a magsafe keyboard addon.

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[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 7 points 3 days ago

I'd like something like this, I hate virtual keyboards compared to my old Palm smartphones.

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