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People be writing words with the letters all connected in cursive so the quill didn't have to lift up or whatever.

How come they didn't do that with the digits in numbers?

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Traditionally numbers in text should be written out fully, so "three hundred and twenty seven" instead of "327"

Also western Arabic numerals are relatively new to English, before we used Roman numerals, which are all upper case.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

In typesetting, numbers ten and under are always spelled out, and also numbers at the start of a sentence of any size. Numbers one, through ninety-nine are hyphenated if spelled out, ninety-nine percent of typesetters agree. Also, the "and" is frowned upon. It should be "three hundred and twenty-seven", if quoting, if that is what was said, but three hundred twenty-seven otherwise.

However, numerals in text is fine, outside of the limitations above, and there are lowercase numerals in many classic typefaces that are less jarring to the eye in body type than the uppercase numerals.

Consider the number, 1,234,567. Spelled out, it's one million two hundred thirty-four thousand five hundred sixty-seven. That's cumbersome. That would almost always be written with numerals, and not spelled out. And, a sentence including it should be written to keep it from the beginning.

(Yes, children, I said sixty-seven, please try to contain yourselves.)

[–] Eddyzh@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In a legal setting even those long numbers are still spelled out in contracts in many jurisdictions.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Ludicrous!

Although they did get spelled out on checks in the old days as a anti-fraud counter measure.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They still get spelled out on checks today.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There are still checks today?

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I will be writing one to pay my rent later today.

[–] Kite@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We still have a couple of fairly large companies that pay us by check. I hate it because our finance office requires that it be deposited immediately and it disrupts my day.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Which is weird, because since ~2006 all checks are treated the same as debit card transactions after the first check is processed, since both sides now have full routing info.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

It’s important to spell out numbers in addition to writing them when it comes to important documents and such

It helps you verify the numbers are accurate

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 5 days ago

In the old days? I still do it. Just not that often.

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 4 points 5 days ago

but three hundred twenty-seven otherwise

Depends on the dialect. That "and" is a requirement in British English.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 3 points 5 days ago

The "and" is necessary in British English at least (saying that the US constitution uses it)

(In older forms it would be three hundred and seven and twenty)

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's not hard rules, though. There's a myriad of publishing styles. Each define different rules and guidelines to when and where numbers are spelled out. Hyphen was dropped from several guides, for example. The and has also been optional for certain publishing houses for a while, but in England it is still mandatory. Academic and literary will differ in how they enforce this guides and exactly what they are. Language is relative, changing and fluid, and this was all different mere 30 years ago. It moves with the expectations of the audience.

Also, it is six seven. Respect the memes guidelines.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The meme isn't sixty seven, pops.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

... You apparently haven't been around the kids who push this annoying meme? They absolutely would count "sixty seven" as "six seven" without a split second of thought.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 1 points 5 days ago

Because seven ate nine.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I thought that was only for single digit numbers. Or is that a more recent convention?

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

I don't know how universal it was, but in old documents it's common to see dates written out fully in the form of "on the thirty-first day of January in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty-six"

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Uppercase letters in succession don't work in cursive. And almost nobody uses lowercase numbers, even back then.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Finally an answer. Thank you.

Edit: wait a second... If lowercase numbers did connect, and were once used, why not any more?

I can't find any results for "connecting cursive numbers" or "joining cursive numbers".

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

lowercase numbers

fucken gottem by accident lol

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[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

First off, only a subset of cursive systems connect all letters. These are called Continuous Cursive. Second, many cursive writing systems do include numbers.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Huh, I thought the only point of cursive was to connect the letters.

I searched online for cursive connected numbers, but I couldn't find any.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

They are not connected to each other, they're just fancy. That's not cursive.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

0/3 of these are connected. 

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The two and zero aren't connected in this either. I am coming to accept that numbers are not connected in cursive. And elsewhere in the thread, it is said that this is done for clarity. So thank you, Mr. Snark, for your contribution. Even if you did not intend to contribute and just wanted to dunk on me.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Someone providing you information showing your assumptions were incorrect in a straightforward and neutral manner is not dunking on you.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And this was the 5th example I provided.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So far, you have provided zero examples of cursive numbers.

You have shown me cursive letters that are connected and numbers that are written in the context of cursive letters but which are not connected.

[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So far, you are the only one insisting that cursive numerals must be connected.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago

I feel like this is a fair definition for what sets cursive apart from other handwriting systems.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 3 points 5 days ago

00 on cheques . That normally has a line connecting at the top, that's the only one I can think of.

[–] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 16 points 5 days ago

I'd imagine that whereas you can guess at confusing cursive letters in words from the others around them, you can't do that with digits.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They do exist, though I dunno if you'd find any examples online

But they suck for most uses because there aren't number words.

Like, in print or cursive, the word "pool" exists as a distinct combination of letters that can be recognized even with sloppy writing. I'm using that as an example because I'm dyslexic and that's one of my favorite examples of how I manage to read as fast or faster than someone that isn't.

However, 1984, 1776, 2025, they don't necessarily have the same "weight" in memory where you would recognize them if the numbers are connected.

And with math connected numbers would be a shit show from top to bottom.

So there's really no use case for learning connected numbers. They aren't useful, and cause problems. Why learn Cyrillic if you never run into books printed in it? Even that would be a more useful thing to teach in schools than connected numbers. There's no good reason for connected numbers except for private notation. Even then, you'd not save much time unless you're writing a shit ton of numbers, and you'd better be able to practice both doing them and reading them if you want those notes to be useful later.

Afaik, nobody uses them at all nowadays. For anything. So finding instructions on how to do it isn't likely online (though I'm going to check just out of curiosity and edit in if I find it). It would be unlikely to find any of the old texts that teach it even in a decent book collection.

Couldn't find any, but decided to do an example from memoryexcuse the crappy execution

As you can see, even discounting my shitty skills in writing on screen, there's some serious issues with reading connected numbers.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We learned numbers in cursive class

Who said they don’t include numbers

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Me. I couldn't find any examples when I searched.

I thought I remembered cursive numbers too.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why did you think there aren’t cursive numbers?

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No evidence of any existing.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just Google image cursive numbers

Not all of them are dramatically stylish but neither are all letters.

a cursive e can look mostly like a regular e too depending on the style

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They are not connected.

Someone elsewhere in the thread wrote that numbers are considered capital letters in cursive and capital letters don't connect. So I guess that's why.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I think it’s a clarity thing. Numbers are often going to be the most important parts of the document (price, date, identification) and they need to be clear and differentiable from the other text.

Also older cursive was much more flamboyant than what we learned a few decades ago. Only calligraphic numbers will still look fancy, cursive writing will just slant the number and also you learn to write them perfectly consistently

Modern cursive is almost entirely just normal letters modified to have connectors (and being slanted) but there are a few weird letters like r, s, f, z which wouldn’t be connectable written normally.

So we’ve definitely been shifting to everything looking standardized anyway.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've been thinking about it a bit and I think it would be pretty easy to connect multiple zeros at the top, and maybe a few other numbers, but that explanation makes sense as for why numbers were not connected usually.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

People do connect multiple zeros at the top

The real thing with zero is you’re supposed to use a slash across it so it’s impossible to mistake for a o or O

Edit: not a real slash but a diagonal line like this (maybe it is a slash but when I look it up I get this symbol instead Ø)

[–] FoolsQuartz@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just tried it and it looks crap - I can't imagine how to write "321" clearly in cursive, for instance. I think that's why.

Roman numerals kind of work in cursive (sometimes i to x are written in lowercase, e,g in document indexes) so maybe it's all downstream of our numbers actually originating from arabic calligraphy?

[–] FoolsQuartz@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Follow-up: I think people historically, and today, want numbers to take up not much space - historically so they fit in ledgers, but also because calculations take up so much space on paper so small numbers helps.

When people were doing bookkeeping they generally work slow and carefully, and can therefore afford to focus on legibility rather than resorting to cursive.

Cursive just opens up more potential for mistakes - misreading your own working, for instance.

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