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[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 198 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

I can destroy 99% of cancer cells in a lab using a hammer. The important part is whether you can do the same in a person without killing them.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 206 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Or bleach. I can destroy 100% of cancer cells in vitro with a common household chemical that only costs pennies!

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[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 2 years ago

First thing that came to mind.

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[–] mihies@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The test was done on mice where half of them ended cancer free and I assume survived.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

No lab mice survive the lab unfortunately.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

They only have to survive the experiment

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

Shouldn't have been so tasty.

[–] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 points 2 years ago

But everything works in mice.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

To be fair they only live a couple of years anyway.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

You'd think that it would be a might difficult getting a hammer into a body, but I salute you.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 77 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You don't need to. Just keep hammering away until you reach the cancer. Phase II trials start soon.

[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

I volunteer my biological father, I can remove his limbs with a turn of the century brass blowtorch if that helps the experiment.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would argue it is actually quite easy to get a hammer into a body. Precision and accuracy are the larger concerns.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you simply get a large enough hammer those concerns go away.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Or smaller, depending on point of entry.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

The list of things that doctors want to stick up there gets longer and longer.

[–] StuffYouFear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

What if we insert it and used a MRI machine to steer it at the speed of sound

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 8 points 2 years ago

You won't get it in there with that attitude.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 13 points 2 years ago

Aminocyanine molecules are already used in bioimaging as synthetic dyes. Commonly used in low doses to detect cancer, they stay stable in water and are very good at attaching themselves to the outside of cells.

Looks like an interesting choice, since they were already made to attach to cancer cells.

They work like an existing method, but with infrared light vs visible, which penetrates deeper into the body.

[–] MustrumR@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The thing about the used molecules is that they attach to the cancer more than other cells.

Apart from that you can concentrate the infrared light at the main clusters.

I'd say it is an improvement. Even if only the main clusters are destroyed it's noninvasive way to reduce the chance of mutation (less cancer cells means less chances for a mutation to gain chemo resistance).

[–] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, killing 99% of cancer cells is quite useless, the 1% left will now thrive and if they survived because they were different (and not just luckily escaping the treatment) you now have 100% of cancer cells you can't treat anymore.

Better case, the 1% "lucky" cancer cells just re-invade.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It could extend the life of the patient with a few years.

[–] Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe, or just extending the suffering for a couple of months. Hope it gets better!

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Best case scenario is that your immune system takes care of the final 1%. Worse case scenario is exactly as you described and you get mets that are resistant to therapy.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I thought the issue is your immune system wouldn’t know to take care of the final 1%. As that’s the issue with cancer: it isn’t an antigen. It is something made by the body so it’s already coated in a natural sheep’s clothing to escape being detected by the immune system. Hence why breakthroughs in marking the cells is so important so at least an outside force can treat it.

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[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does this mean playing competitive chess could prevent cancer??

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 33 points 2 years ago

A chemical that can’t target cancer cells can be triggered to vibrate in such a way that it destroys cell membranes by a light source that attenuates by about 90% over 1mm of flesh (down to 1% of the original strength at 2mm).

If they could target just cancer cells, it would work for some skin cancers.
Infrared and near infrared transmit a good amount of heat. I imagine that even if they figure out the targeting issue, unless the light to vibration process is highly efficient, the point at which the light source is just burning the patient’s flesh will be reached long before there’s anything but a limited use case.

I guess the mechanism is good to know about, but it’s unlikely to turn into a cure for cancer.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

99% of non-cancerous cells were also destroyed.

[–] crit@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't see the part of the article that mentions that?

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 points 2 years ago

If they didn't mention the opposite, I have bad news for you

[–] mihies@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't get this comment at all. Wat?

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 17 points 2 years ago

Killing cancer cells is easy enough, the hard part is only killing cancerous cells

[–] Konstant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's saying it destroys all cells, cancerous and non-cancerous. Don't know if it's true, haven't read the article.

[–] mihies@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obviously it's not true hence I don't get it. The holy grail is to destroy just cancerous cells, it's easy to destroy all. 🤷‍♂️

[–] JGrffn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

The article makes no mention to the molecules only working on cancer cells. The molecules, according to the article, attach to cell membranes, and then the molecules are jiggled to blow up the cells. That process doesn't mention an ability to differentiate between cancer and non-cancer cells. The technique was tried on a culture growth, where a hammer would have the same results. It was also tried on mice, where half were left cancer-free, but little is said about the process, the specifics of the results, or what happened to the other half of mice.

We all get the goal of cancer research, OP is just doubtful that this achieves it, as am I, as well as anyone who's read good news about eradicating cancer in the past few decades. Most are duds or go nowhere even if initially promising, so...

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

i asked this in another thread, how do they get the novel molecule to attach to only cancer cells. apparently they havent gotten that far yet.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Cancer cells divide faster than other cells, meaning they have some structural differences. Most drugs (not sure about this one) exploit this difference.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

"Inject the Jiggler."

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That %1 is gonna be a bitch

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So we're back to things like what led to the original vibrators.

[–] BoastfulDaedra@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 years ago

You may be onto something there. Near-infrared activated chemical vibrators... how fast do these jiggle again?

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