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Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 hours ago

The GOP are terrified of what the midterms might bring. The propaganda is increasing.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, outside view from those of us in Europe... Just get on with getting the Orange Man out, please.

You'll get far further dealing with the Democrats once that's happened.

But until that point, just concentrate on getting the actual genocidal fascist gone.

[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

Exactly, thank you. Glad to know some actual functioning brainpower exists out there.

The alt-left handed power to murderous scum out of spite. I will never forgive or forget that.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

We need to demand better of democrats, period. It’s ok to expect more out of them than “not trump.” Many of us Americans are completely fed up with them promising much needed reforms, and then turning around to accept bribes to do nothing of the sort after they’re voted in.

Voting out the establishment ghouls in the primaries this year is a great first step - go vote for a leftist this spring, and then vote for any non-repug this fall!

[–] btsax@reddthat.com 6 points 11 hours ago

I make demands in the primaries. I do harm reduction in the generals

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 25 points 18 hours ago (64 children)

Come mid-terms I'm going to proudly vote democrat everywhere I can so hopefully we can get some control of the country again.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Bingo.

I'll think about Palestine after my country stops being run by actual fascists and Americans stop being executed in the street and our Constitutional rights stop being violated on a daily basis.

And, coincidentally, by voting Democrat, I am doing the most beneficial thing I can for Palestine because THERE ARE NO VIABLE THIRD PARTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What state was going to flip to Harris if ALL of those green party voters flipped Democrat? You can't name one, because there isn't one.

Reactionary centrists got Trump elected. Period.

[–] vetehinen@lethallava.land 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world you can't just look at Green party voters because some people very likely also stayed home instead of voting for the same reason. If you could also count those it's possible one or more would have flipped.

That said, it's always a combination of factors so it is still partly to blame even if we assume it wouldn't have done it alone.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You can't argue against my first point. We literally have the numbers. This isn't speculative. We measured this.

  • Stein (G): 862,049 votes,

  • Kennedy (I): 756,393

  • Oliver (L): 650,126

  • De La Cruz (S): 166,175

  • West (I): 82,664

In no state election would the greens have even come close to moving the results of that race. And if you argue that the green votes actually belong to the Democrats, you'd have to concede that both Kennedy's and Oliver's would belong to the Republicans. In which case Trumps victory would have been even more secure.

In the most charitable interpretation, third party votes in 2024 helped Democrats and hurt Trump. If we make some demographic assumptions and treat it like an instant run-off, reassigning third party votes would put Trump even further into the lead.

Third party votes in 2024 were historically low and had almost no impact on the outcome of the election.

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (4 children)

How does your point in any way refute that voting for Democrats is the most beneficial thing for Palestine? Unless you’re trying to say that by voting for a third party you actually helped Democrats win more than you would have by voting for them?? Your point was a non sequitur.

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[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago

They would have to acknowledge there's was a genocide they contributed to. They denied it and silenced the public correcting them.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

And continue to take Israeli money and refuse to denounce the war Israel wants us to spend trillions on in Iran and continue to fund Israel who hasn’t stopped the genocide and won’t admit Epstein was Mossad and refuse to stop insider trading and refuse to fight for universal healthcare and refused to prosecute Trump or anyone in the bush administration or any of the bankers I could go on and on

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 6 points 16 hours ago

“Are still supporting”

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I'm torn on calling them war criminals. War profiteers, absolutely. Genocide apologists, definitely. It's a bit like being a drug dealer; you didn't make them take the drugs, but you knew what the likely outcome would be. Should that be criminal under international law? Probably, but I don't believe that it currently is.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

Biden went around Congress to provide arms we had clear evidence would be used in a genocide.

Just because he's not the biggest war criminal, doesn't mean he shouldn't be held accountable.

Not holding "our own" accountable just depresses turnout and let's maga win

We can't afford to put Joe fucking Biden or any other Dem politician over the entire country. We have to hold them accountable, and if they don't want to be held accountable they can stop committing war crimes, or at least get out of office.

Like, it's not just international law he violated, US law too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law

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