this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2024
163 points (94.1% liked)

PC Gaming

8251 readers
459 users here now

For PC gaming news and discussion. PCGamingWiki

Rules:

  1. Be Respectful.
  2. No Spam or Porn.
  3. No Advertising.
  4. No Memes.
  5. No Tech Support.
  6. No questions about buying/building computers.
  7. No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
  8. No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
  9. No off-topic posts/comments.
  10. Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates. (Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources. If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 117 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

Star citizen players get what they deserve if they buy this. It is pretty clear this game will never be finished and its only purpose is to extract money from whales with more money than brain cells.

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I've been playing it for years and I certainly hope it's never "finished". It gets massive updates every 3 months (quarterly), and even after it's officially 1.0 I hope it continues to get regular updates. The version is irrelevant to me at this point - it's fun, interesting, and unlike anything else out there, and it only gets better with each update. That's all I want out of the project.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I got roped in by a former schoolmate in 2013 or whenever their kickstarter was. I liked freelancer and thought this would be something like that. I took the smallest pack for around thirty bucks. I tried it every couple of years but it always was just a janky mess that barely functioned with an almost cult like following. Really strange one this.

[–] windlas@lemmy.ca 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Allegedly someone is making a Freelancer-esque like open world space game. Its called "Underspace", and it looks decent. Release sometime in the first half of this year, I think.

[–] StuffYouFear@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Thank you, loved freelancer, will keep an eye out for it.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Looks very cool, cautious optimism here...

[–] TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Oh, that looks pretty cool! I saw they have a demo on itch.io. I'll give that a spin when I get home. Thanks for sharing!

[–] stagen@feddit.dk 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Everspace 1 (Roguelite) and Everspace 2 (RPG) both were built with the Freelancer mindset. I can highly recommend both!

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

They're both very good.

[–] mihnt@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I've been paying Helium Rain. It's free to play on steam. No micro transactions or anything. It's Newtonian physics though.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 57 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Imagine buying 50k worth of digital assets in one go. They're already downloaded on your computer anyway. You just can't use them in game lmao

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's simply there to make headlines, outrage people and get some people who don't care to see what the game is about

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Last I checked they had an ecosystem that any developer would kill to have. A closed off pool of players who are all loyal. Everyone I've talked to that has gotten to play it has defended it. So it obviously has something going. I think most people just expected a normal release and it seems to have morphed into a different business model?

[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As an Early Access, it has a LOT of jank; but it's unlike anything else that has ever existed. It really is a no-compromises, persistent, open, seamless sci-fi universe. It gets massive updates every 3 months, and those updates have been getting gradually bigger and more meaningful over the last 2 years. We've seen huge amounts of progress, so the developers are actually delivering. And regardless of how you feel about their business model as an outsider, it's successfully ensuring that progress can continue in perpetuity, which is exactly what all of us regular players want.

I skipped the original Kickstarter because even the smaller scope of that pitch seemed impossible on the budget they were asking. Then I watched the project for years as it seemed like it was falling apart. I didn't actually buy in until they showed off planet tech, and it was obvious that (1) they had finally gotten their development problems fixed and (2) their business model was capable of funding the project indefinitely (no matter how long it took to realize the vision). As of now, I have well over 1,000 hours in the game... probably more than anything else I've ever played.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

They aren't fooled though. Its a real game that offers what it says it does, hand crafted solar systems. Its just fucken nuts seeing whale catching tactics outside of mobile games.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

Not to mention heavy ingestion of copium or the gambler's fallacy

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I mean, it's better than some mobile games that have cost people even more than 50 grand through incremental purchases. Here you get every ship.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

Here you get everyship.

...everyship... so far

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yeah and this isn't for the average player. But still could you imagine being like "Add to Cart > Checkout" on 50k for a game?

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

No, but I won't be in that situation anyways.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In that case ypu are quite litterarly paying for a bunch of boolean variables being changed from a 0 to a 1.

If this was done in powershell:

Get-Ship -identity * | Set-Ship -AvaliableToPlayer 1

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Thats how they have to work. If you run into a player with a ship you don't have it still needs the asset to display it on your client. It just makes it seem a little silly is all. You are paying for access, and thats true for all of these game cosmetics.

[–] puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Those extra assets are also one of the reasons why some games take like 500Gb of ~~memory~~ storage to install.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Veraxus@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Only about half of those vehicles are actually in the game right now, too.

The thing is, with only one exception that I can think of, everything can be acquired in-game. The only reason you'd buy one of these ship packages is to have immediate access to those specific types of gameplay and, eventually, free in-game insurance (which otherwise also uses in-game currency). Sometimes these things make sense for player Orgs, but I can't imagine any Org needing all vehicles at all times... especially at that price.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 5 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It sounds laughable, but then I realise that anyone that can afford dropping 50k on just a video game are doing way better than me and most other people. I'm not sure who's getting the biggest laugh here.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Its just the same thing as mobile game profits. They target the wealthiest players. They probably only need to sell this pack a few times to be satisfied with it. This game just has a lot more to offer than say, LOTR: Rise to War.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] krnl386@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago

It's a helluva drug

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Good lord. Given the choice, I don't know which is the better option: dropping $50k on virtual spaceships, or dropping $50k on women on Chaturbate.

Or just spend it on Lego, at least you'll have something tangible to own.

[–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget, Lego tends to go up in value over time

[–] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Damage@feddit.it 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And then what do you have to play for?

[–] learningduck@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Ships will be destroyed and the player will have to replace them later hehe.

[–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Aren't bundle deals for saving money? Won't your rich fans already have bought ships from years ago? Who is this bundle for - the super rich instead of the usual insanely rich?

[–] chameleon@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago

They let you "reclaim"/"melt" things you bought before. I think this is an attempt to make a few rich people that are $30k or so in "complete their collection", and then probably repeat that year after year every time they release an updated pack.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

People about to have a field day with this one.

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago

A game that is still in early access and will most likely never leave it has DLCs worth 10 thousands dollars? Completely crazy how they just are able to do it and their community still defends them

[–] notannpc@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I am a gamer, but you cannot convince me that any game is worth anything near $48k from the end consumer. At best you’ll get maybe $200 over the course of 3+ years with good dlc content.

[–] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago

Someone hasn't seen the whales of F2P. I've seen stat cards in war thunder worth triple that of age 1 year

[–] CJOtheReal@ani.social 5 points 8 months ago

Compared to train Sim that's cheap!

[–] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

Do they owe sales tax on something that doesn't exist?

load more comments
view more: next ›