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[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

This exact thing happened to my Pilates teacher of a decade. We used to joke about all the woo. Then she somehow discovered Josh Rogan and things began to go downhill. What if Trump is right about this one thing? Aren't there two sides to everything? When covid hit she went completely down the rabbit hole, antivax, global conspiracies, the works. Just about everything in that article.

I considered her a good friend. She was the only one who brought flowers to my house when my mother died. I haven't seen her since early in covid, after the first lockdowns.

And I read another article about this same phenomena about two years go, which of course my google fu is too weak this morning to find. But the anecdotal point here is that this is not the first time people have noted this phenomenon.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@btaf45

"Thanks to hundreds of years of treating the male body as the default in medicine, we simply do not know enough about how disease manifests in the female body."

This is big one. I'm a woman who's been misdiagnosed for the simplest of things. Twice I've blown my ACL, and both times it took 6-8 months to diagnose ... even tho the first time I pulled the ACL right off the bone. My rotator cuff took 20 yrs. All because women aren't supposed to hurt themselves at work.

I'm sick of the BS

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, people often talk about scammers and grifters and how "insert-ableist-slurs" and "gullible" people who believe them are, but none of those "I'd ever fall for that!!1" types ever look at why people were so easily convinced, what large chunks of care are missing in society that people have no choice but to be drawn to the "alternatives" no matter how bogus or even dangerous - at some point the system has let you down so dramatically that even if it did finally offer a solution, you'd have no reason to trust it.

The result of which is instead of trying to better the system so that fewer people get treated poorly or not at all, they just shift the blame to those who fell victim to the scan, and can pat themselves on the back for being "better" without actually doing fuck all but ridicule vulnerable people.

People like that are just as much a part of the problem - the grifters give them someone to ridicule and feel superior to, they pander to the ego of the "unconvinced" as much as, if not more, than to the ego of the people they're trying to scam, giving that (ego boost) up even if it is to do the right thing (but in favour of those these individuals see as lesser) just doesn't make sense to them.

[–] rephlekt2718@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awful to hear about stuff like this, it continues to blow my mind how privileged men are without even realizing it.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That privilege had its price.
Our medical knowledge didn't come from from doctors sitting down with pen and paper and figuring stuff out. It came from field research, trail and error on alive and dead subjects. Subjects that two world wars provided by the millions. It just so happened to be that those subjects were mostly white men between 14 and 50 years of age in dire need of medical treatment. Naturally our knowledge of male physiology skyrocketed during and after that period. On the contrary, when it comes to psychology, men are light years behind women. While trying to """cure female hysteria""", we got a far deeper look into the function of our brains on the female side than on the male side. Even though most of these women took part as voluntarily as someone would take shrapnel in the war. I'm trying to say that it's not just as simple as men or women have it better, it all boils down to historical availability of patients for research.

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago

@LouNeko @rephlekt2718

It also developed from scientists trying to keep things simple. Women's bodies are a lot more complicated than men's in terms of varying ratios of hormones, pregnancy, etc that have to be accounted for in studies. Same reason HeLa cells and genetically-identical mice are used.

It's still not a justifiable reason to neglect 50% of the population under the incorrect assumption that human physiology is the same across the board.

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I started doing Yoga 25 years ago after fracturing a couple of vertebrae and needing to learn to walk/move again. It literally saved me from a life lead in an opiate haze to control the pain.

That said, this article comes as no surprise as there has always been an undercurrent of of bat-shit crazy control freaks in the "alternative movement".

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you trying to tell me that easily manipulated mindless clowns flock to fringe conspiracies and bullshit pseudo-science filled snake-oil wellness programs?

Color me surprised!

[–] girlfreddy@mastodon.social 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

The article threw out a lot of potential reasons but the unsaid part about all of them was that they wouldn't be an issue if so many people weren't so goddamn stupid.

Isolation?

Mistrust of the government?

Poor treatment of women's health?

In all cases, it takes two parts to drive someone to conspiracy theories. A catalyst like one of the above, plus fuel of pure goddamn stupidity.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

I read it in its entirety.

[–] viperex@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's so many pipelines out there

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

And curiously enough all leading to fascism.

[–] Aliendelarge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Ted Stevens was right all along.

[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

What isn't a pipeline to facism?

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Aesthesiaphilia@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

You'd think so, but I knew a guy

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's complicated because some antifa are just a different bunch of mindless tribalists.

It really depends if you ended up antifa for social reasons (mainly being part of something) or for having thinked a lot about what are your principles and politics and figured out that haters have to be stopped early, before they get to the stage were they're hurting lots of people - the latter kind will likely also spot hate replacing reason in themselves and thus stop it before they hurt somebody who might very well be innocent.

Sadly a fraction of self-proclaimed antifa are just another hater mob, just raging against different groups of people than the fascists, which is how you end up with things like cruxifiction-by-social-media against people for the sin of not treating slogans as Sacred Truth.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the antifa who go up and punch people saying horrible shit - I feel like getting punched is a fair reaction to calling for genocide. It's visceral, it makes a point, and the guy on stage probably deserves to be hit.

I don't like the ones that try to police the Internet and exclude anyone with extreme views. Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme. Isolating them only shows them their only companionship will be through their little cults

I support strongly free speech, I just think sometimes getting punched is a fair response

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think the same.

As I see it, when one decides that the Rules Of Society shouldn't limit their own words and actions towards others, its only fair that the Rules Of Society also don't protect them from the words and actions of others towards them - "live by the sword, die by the sword" and all that.

[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

… an almost infinite number of things?

I’ll start.

  1. Knitting socks
[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

"Step one, add only the whitest flour, free from any impurities."

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They bake cookies. They bake them in swastika shapes.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well, fuck!

[–] MaryReadsBooks@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago
  1. Pipeline to Antifacism
[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

Somepeople think being a tradwife is fascism, and that would include knitting socks.

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Doctor Xavier's School for Gifted Children

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Love and acceptance?

[–] Roundcat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think anything can be twisted into a pipeline to fascism if prominent people within a community are pushing it. Let's take My Little Pony for example. You would think that would be the last place for fascism to foment, but there are certain communities online that have pushed it in that direction.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plenty of fascists got their start reading 1984 and distrusting the news.

[–] Piers@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean... That seems like an argument for equipping people with better literacy skills given that any competent reading of 1984 would turn you away from fascism.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way people define fascism today? Everything is fascism. It's fascist for you to even ask this!

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not really. People use the word in a pretty measured way. Usually people with fascist views just say that because they're offended at being described accurately and want to try to rationalize it away.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People use "fascism" when they mean "authoritarian". But that's not a fun Italian word with Hitler connotations.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They mean fascism.