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[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 205 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like netgear routers are now 100% confirmed to be compromised with backdoors instead of just being probable

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Time to flash the old Netgear router with some open source firmware.

[–] RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Yep, but unfortunately it's not always as straight forward as it may sound. Plus, with routers becoming more difficult to acquire, it'll only get harder and harder to pull off. But there's OpenWRT and dd-WRT that work with a pretty decent range of routers as well as ASUS Merlin for many ASUS routers. Then, if you want to get nerdy with it and build your own router from an old computer, there's OPNsense and pfSense. Eventually it'll come down to these two if the ban is longterm and you want any semblance of obfuscation online...

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

GL.iNet are flashable and come with their fork of OpenWRT out of the box. I run the latest regular OpenWRT on mine.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Yes, OPNsense is excellent if you have a spare computer to run it. Then you can repurpose your consumer router as a WiFi access point. I still feel safer flashing the old WiFi router with open firmware before using it even as a WAP.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

I tried getting into the nerdy side. I have an old PC with only one NIC, but apparently it needs two in order to bridge to a WiFi AP? That makes sense, but I don’t have an old PC with two NICs. Also, my NIC doesn’t support as much bandwidth as I have supplied anyhow. Sad times.

Edit: the desktop is old enough that the mobo doesn’t have the slots I need. Effectively, I have to get a new old burner PC. It’s an old ThinkCentre with a dvd player built in.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 month ago

If it's a desktop PC you can buy a PCIe card with multiple Ethernet ports pretty cheap, especially if you buy used.

[–] RadicalRebel@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well ya, you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall. Additionally, since NICs are the most crucial piece of hardware for routers and firewalls, it'll only be as good as the hardware it runs on. Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds. So swapping the original NIC out and adding another is VERY typical when repurposing old PCs as a router. The most common options for NICs I've seen are the Intel I350-T2 and I350-T4. Ironically, they cost about as much as a decent router, but going this route actually puts you in control of your home network!

[–] dan@upvote.au 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you need at least two NICs to properly setup a firewall.

I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but two (or more) VLANs on a single NIC would work fine too. This setup is usually referred to as "router on a stick"

I'm not sure about other OSes or Linux distros, but it's easy to add multiple VLANs on Debian. You load the 8021q kernel module, then add interfaces suffixed with the VLAN ID (e.g. if your NIC is ens3, you'd add ens3.10 to /etc/network/interfaces for VLAN 10). You'd also need to make sure the switch port is configured to allow VLAN10.

Older NICs lead to regular crashes and/or slow network speeds.

but the ones you're suggesting (I350-T2 and -T4) are 12 years old.

[–] claymore@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago

USB network cards are even cheaper than PCIE if you don't mind lower performance (if you don't have USB3 ports you're limited to theoretical 480Mbit)

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[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 138 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 54 points 1 month ago

Except they don't even bother with the table anymore.

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[–] Davel23@fedia.io 121 points 1 month ago (1 children)

First winner of the Netgear Peace Prize to be announced shortly.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Made me snort with that one

[–] schwim@piefed.zip 112 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a reason and the reason will likely be revealed to be kickbacks and payoffs.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 83 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Corruption is pretty obvious these days.

[–] Harvey656@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It may always have been, its just more obvious than before.

[–] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah this. They're not trying to hide it anymore. Just 10 years ago corruption may have required journalistic effort to uncover, now the admin yokels shout it from the rooftops, hoping to "trigger the libs".

[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 76 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Corruption" is the word you were looking for.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 15 points 1 month ago

Yes, but that would take work.

This is tech journalism. If evidence connecting something can't be Googled in 30 seconds, it's just an area of speculation.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Two possible reasons:

They agreed to installation of American spyware, probably not limited to models sold in the US, or they paid their dues to Trump, and he called the FCC.

[–] ReluctantMuskrat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

More likely one reason... a combination of both.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Spyware preinstalled. Has to be.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Well netgear has a stellar reputation for screwing up their firmware horribly so if they are involved in implementing the implant it absolutely will be noticed.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Alternatively, if it suddenly starts working, we know they aren't writing it.

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[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Gonna be really funny when it's revealed in 5 years that Netgear routers have a backdoor for the Chinese govt and the US okayed it because of the money the Trump admin got.

It's literally the type of corruption that was claimed China would do for the last 4 decades.

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[–] rozodru@piefed.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ah so don't buy a netgear router because the US Government will be listening in/watching. got it.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you really think they weren't already?

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right, do we not remember PRISM? Edward Snowden is still living in exile in Russia.

They don't need to tap your router when they already tap the routes.

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[–] AdamBomb@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

It’s obvious: the reason is money

[–] Resplendent606@piefed.social 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This tells me Netgear probably bent the knee and kissed the ring.

[–] TrollTrollrolllol@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] giacomo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

paid that troll toll.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I get the aching feeling its because Netgear likely agreed to some backdoor shit, or to just funnel all user traffic to ICE

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Netgear likely agreed to some backdoor shit

If that's how you win Trump's favor, count me out forever.

[–] fletcher_bosom@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

Extortion is one reason.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

Is it because Netgear is a "US" company? Meaning they are on the US stock exchange, have corporate offices in the US, and manufacture everything in Asia?

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 month ago

This whole situation has made me realize that I need to get back on the OpenWRT train.

[–] gukleszl4hs48ughgxhr5xgd@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Makes sense that it would be one of the shittiest corps :/

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