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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 97 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Adam Smith, who is considered to be quite the capitalist, said that it is impossible to have a free market if the participants cannot choose not to participate.

Letting Doctors use the “free market” set medical prices is not only sinful, it is not justifiable by the most originalist economic theory.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Blaming doctors for insurance, pharmaceutical, and healthcare companies prices is a bit rich.

Letting capitalists into healthcare is the issue, not the fucking doctors. Shit the doctors are probably just as indebted to their student loans as their patients are to the hospitals, while getting reamed with fucked 24/36 hour shifts and overworked to the bone.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People don't seem to understand that the entire medical profession is structured around exploitation — where they still expect you to work 80+ hour weeks back to back, often with shifts that last 18+ hours, and a few hours sleep in between.

Lumping the medical scientists/professionals with medical capitalists is class warfare.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

My primary care doctor of 20+ years just quit the practice. He confided in me that it just wasn't worth it for him to keep dealing with the crazy demands and dwindling rewards. He is one of about 150k doctors who left the profession in the last couple years.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The ACA was supposed to have a public option that would put a control on the insurance prices. Ideally the public option would be so good that the insurance industry would just wither and die.

But the health insurance industry, mainly via Joe Lieberman, made sure that was never going to happen.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Universal healthcare > cheap ACA insurance

Don’t settle for less.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't settle, but at least accept while still demanding more.

Nothing is served by wallowing in failure by only accepting non-existent perfection.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Momentum matters.

Accepting a bone here and there stops many from being hungry enough to demand more. It’s the whole reason Bismarck invented State Socialism to stop the growing threat of leftist ideas.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

It was meant to be the first step in a progression that would have led to universal healthcare. Unfortunately, America figured out how to maim it and halt progress. In fact, America figured out how to regress in so many ways, not just in the arena of healthcare.

Only America can fail as hard and fast as America once succeeded.

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget Joe Lieberman is one of the founders of the No Labels party.

https://www.nolabels.org/meettheteam

If you want to know who NOT to trust, check the link

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The website looks like all Sunshine and rainbows. Now I'm really curious why they can't be trusted.

[–] thallamabond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Jmho. As a political party you need a platform, as far as I can tell No Labels platform is "can't we all just get along?"

Also their members make up a who's who of keeping actual legislation from happening, starting with Joe Lieberman for removing a single pair option from the ACA. Rumor has it they have courted Kristen Simena and Joe's manchin.

Also Harland Crowe is rumored to be a big funder, as far as I'm concerned these people represent money and nothing else.

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately Capitalism by its very nature abhors a free market. Free markets mean more competition, which means less profits. Which is counter to the ideology of capitalism, that being higher profits mean success.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

You do everything right and still lose it all - our capitalistic system is working exactly the way it is intended.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If only either political party in America agreed...

We're stuck with only a small slice of Dems that even acknowledge our system is fucked.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We're stuck with only a small slice of Dems that even acknowledge our system is fucked.

Which explains why Bernie Sanders got sacked in their presidential primaries, twice.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

That was vague, my bad.

I ~~might~~ meant a small slice of dem politicians.

Voters of the Dem party and independents largely support healthcare reform, and even a good amount of Republicans.

But the party keeps supporting incumbents who don't represent their voters.

Just a bunch of old politicians deciding it's best for all of them to stay in power because they know better than voters.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was vague, my bad.

I [meant] a small slice of dem politicians.

Oh, that was understood.

And what I meant was that the party itself orchestrated his sacking.

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[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And you keep going with them or whomever is fighting for the people.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Vote with your heart in the primary, and your brain in the general.

Which is why it sucks so much we don't get primaries every election.

People are literally dying from inaction in America, and we really don't have any say it.

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago

I hate the US healthcare system so much. So much stress for so many people for so little reason.

There's a reason why literally no developed country in the world is imitating that system. It's broken and it doesn't work for most people.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I am tired of this. Is anyone actually working on solutions or are we just going to complain?

What would it take to setup a low cost health care clinic and hospital that is covering it's marginal costs?

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That story is pretty horrific.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for sharing this story. Things can only change is the abuses are shared with many people.

I am sorry she is going through this.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That really sounds like some dystopian science fiction novel. But I guess that's true for a lot of things going on in the US right now.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That really sounds like some dystopian science fiction novel.

Funny you should say that. When she first told me what was going on, my mind immediately went back to that Robin Cook novel Coma from the 70s, lol.

[–] ra1d3n@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Probably a justice system where you can't be sued for 150 bajilion for every time someone slips on wet floor. And where health insurance does not expect you to give them 95% discount because every other hospital does. Among other things.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know. How would you get around malpractice insurance and deal with the competition that has economy of scale?

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[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's finally working!!! We're nearly fully incorporated in the profit-machine! I hope the billionaires notice me for a moment so that I can feel like I'm one of them

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

He looked at me! WITNESS ME!!!

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As intended. We are a capitalism. As long as we are, capital shall be God. As long as They who have the most money shall prevail, they who have the most money will prevail.

Capitalism is OK as long as it is regulated. The free market is nearly a myth because of Billionaires.

[–] Stanwich@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Here I am. Sitting in a private room with my son at one of the best children's hospitals in the world. 5 therapy sessions a day. And all I have to worry about is food for me and the wife. I used to bug my dad about moving to Canada. Now I thank him.

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