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Having spent the bulk of my handheld gaming time with the Steam Deck, it was a bit of a shock last year to discover that PC gaming isn’t just possible on Android phones and retro handhelds, it’s powering on in leaps and bounds.

I’ve seen so many different games running beautifully, from older AAA titles like Tomb Raider and Prey (2017), all the way to more demanding ones like RDR2 and even Cyberpunk 2077 (no surprise that the last one is still an imperfect experience, as things stand...but it is possible!).

GameNative lets you play all manner of PC games on Android from GOG, Epic, and Steam.

I reached out to my friend Utkarsh, who is the lead developer of GameNative to ask if he wanted to share his story and let me interview him.

His background in development and gaming through to how GameNative started and is built, all the way to what the future might bring for his program. This is an interview on what I think might be at least part of the future of handheld gaming, and I hope you find this interesting:

https://gardinerbryant.com/i-genuinely-feel-gamenative-could-replace-handheld-pcs/

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Gamenative is absolutely sick but Android is also a PITA for handhelds these days. The kernels are always dated, the task management sucks, the UX sucks, and everything has to be ported into an APK with cruddy Android API mappings.

I have Rocknix dual boot on my AYN Thor, and it is so much easier to run native emulators on linux then to run the Android counterparts, which are guaranteed to be missing features or are out of date with upstream releases.

[–] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 70 points 3 days ago (8 children)

It probably will, for some people, at least until Valve releases an ARM-powered Deck running full SteamOS.

I think Android is the weak link here. Who wants to use an increasingly locked down operating system?

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah imagine spending all this time getting it all set up to one day have an update that breaks literally everything. That would suck...

And android seems to not get any better, just more locked down.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 30 points 3 days ago

100%. An android device will recieve updates for 7 years in the best case scenario (on average more like 4 years), while a steamdeck is fully supported with mainline Linux, so it'll continue to recieve support for 20 years at a minimum (support for 486 CPU's from the early 90's are only just now being dropped).

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Who wants to use an increasingly locked down operating system?

What’s the alternative? Keep in mind: we’re talking about a primary phone used for calls, texts, navigation, banking, payments, photography, and social media.

[–] absquatulate@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not about who wants it. People are already in posesssion of this device. And a lot more are buying them - the number of windows pc users has been plummeting lately, and it's not in favour of linux but mobile os'es. So if you already posses the device ( walled garden or not ) why not use it as a handheld.

Problem is this whole article reads like an ad:

In a surprisingly short amount of time, this project has gone from a curiosity commented on in social media to the bleeding edge of the entire conversation. They move fast. They don't workshop; they ship. The attitude is less "what if" and more "here."

Gimme a break with all this glazing.

[–] doublah@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

the number of windows pc users has been plummeting lately, and it's not in favour of linux but mobile os'es

Non-gaming PC/Windows users are going down, but PC gamers are at all time highs and still growing.

[–] detren@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Considering that this is partially thanks to Valve’s support of the FEX translation layer (x86 to ARM) I think it’s inevitably the next step after testing the waters with the Steam Frame.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Steam Frame is ARM powered. They already released a beta of Proton 11 which can run on ARM. People already have tested it on ARM handhelds like the Odin2 with Rocknix and can launch the Steam store.

[–] Datz@szmer.info 1 points 2 days ago

If it ends up running well on AYN Thor I might finally upgrade from my 3DS, but one of the only videos I saw tried running Hi-Fi Rush and it didn't launch, all the other examples were indies which I assume are playable anyway.

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

True, the only gaming focused custom rom I'm aware of is Gamma OS, and while it's a great effort, the lone developer is not keeping up with the plethora of devices coming out.

Right now the Linux distros for these devices are weak JELOS-style barebones types. I'm looking forward to the days when I can run full fledged Debian-based distros on these.

[–] vogi@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

I feel the same. Seems like you can easily install something like RockNIX on one of those handhelds running Android, but having a big name like Valve releasing an ARM-powered Switch Lite looking handheld would really push things.

Cannot remember when the last time was that I was that excited for the future of gaming :)

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Fuck android, last thing I want is more locked down devices bloated and filled with spyware.

[–] PerfectDark@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

GameNative is open-source, free, and 100% spyware free.

What on earth?! I'm confused, are you saying GameNative is locked down, bloated and filled with spyware? Or that users who are running Android shouldn't have something that is open-source and spyware free? Just checking for some clarification here, since your rant seems a bit...off-topic.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

He's saying that Android is locked down bloated and filled with spyware.

I think it was the steamdeck comparison that is drawing this response, as gamers finally have a device that isn't restricted to a single OS and is completely under the users control.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

What's the alternative? Keep in mind: we're talking about a primary phone used for calls, texts, navigation, banking, payments, photography, and social media.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Is there like a general guideline as to what games would be compatible with which device? For example, I have a pixel 8 pro, but I can't seem to get anything to boot up. How can I tell, by the release year, that a game should be light enough for me to run on my device?

[–] PerfectDark@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'd recommend seeing what the community has shared, others may have uploaded their games/settings for that phone on EmuReady. The sites is maintained purely to share exactly that.

https://www.emuready.com/listings?deviceIds=%5B%22b600b2d5-3631-4f50-b235-a9d0d2559445%22%5D

(here is the results filtered just by your handset, but these include all kinds of emulation, not just GameNative)

But by the same token, 99% of games which do (and don't) run won't have been shared there either. So it is a game-by-game basis.

A good one to start with would be a 'light' title like DREDGE, if you own it?

I'll do a little checking and see what I can find on your phone though, will come back and edit with what I find soon!

Edit: Here is a post on Reddit where the OP asks the community how the Pixel 8 is for emulation in general. The top comment says that they're using Winlator and have 60FPS/720p performance for BioShock, New Vegas, Wow with dx9/10 games. So these should translate to being the same performance/playability on GameNative (I'd hazard, anyway)

There's also results in the GameNative Discord, but too many to share here. I do hope this helps, though!

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

Thanks! It seems like the Reddit thread person has gotten F:NV to work, which was one of the games I tried with Game native to no avail. Maybe I gotta try this Winlator thing? Thanks again for your help!

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Bit of a conflict of interest from the quote, considering the quote in the title is from one of GameNative's developers.

"North Korea will definitely be the most powerful nation in the world, that could replace every other country and government, says Kim Jong-un."

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The Proton 11 beta already supports ARM and people are already playing games via Steam on ARM handhelds with Rocknix. GameNative is going to face an uphill battle. People are going to pick Proton over GameNative if it doesn’t have the same support and development as Valve dedicates to Proton.

[–] darcmage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Good job on the headline, made me click. I found the full quote interesting:

Do you think GameNative might in some way redefine the way people think about PC gaming on portable devices?

Utkarsh: Yes, I do, and that’s the reason I’m choosing to work on it! I genuinely feel that in the next year or two, GameNative is going to become a complete replacement for handheld PCs like the Steam Deck, and in the medium-long term make expensive, bulky gaming PCs an anachronism.

This seems overly optimistic and there's no mention about Valve actively working on fex as a possible precursor to the Deck2 or Deck3 being an arm powered device. Then there's the problem of heat dissipation in devices that haven't been designed with that type of sustained usage in mind. Will people buy bulkier phones without water and dust resistance in large enough quantities to be sustainable?

I've been excited about PC emulation on my phone and it has been a surprisingly good experience for most non-AAA games (except for the hit on battery life), but it'll never be able to duplicate the immersion that only becomes possible on a large display with the necessary horsepower to bring the game to life. PC gaming isn't going anywhere and neither are dedicated handhelds.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

I'd prefer Linux over Android in this context 100% of the time

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (21 children)

and in the medium-long term make expensive, bulky gaming PCs an anachronism.

This claim is a ridiculous overreach. There's only so much computing power you can fit in a small space due to heat dissipation. You can't beat thermodynamics. You can get a lot of games to run on lower end systems, but only if you're willing to make a ton of compromises.

In no way are you going to be running something like Cyberpunk at 4k 60fps on a phone within the next 10 years. Thats what the "expensive, bulky gaming PCs" are for.

And I don't get why they're painting a target on the back of high end gaming hardware or even the Steam Deck. There's another target that would be more beneficial to society to take out: consoles, particularly their locked-in ecosystems. Democratize gaming.

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[–] baines@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] PerfectDark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is literally a quote from the interviewee

I don't understand how a quote from the article can be click-bait? Because it is a sensational statement? Sure, but he said that. He made that statement. He believes it. FFS.

[–] baines@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

just because someone interviewed believes something doesn't absolve the writer from doing some level of work confirming the actual reality

plenty of ways to indicated doubt while remaining neutral

so and so claims is quite common

[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 days ago

Last game I tried to install through GameNative on Retroid Pocket 5 was Granblue Fantasy Versus. It kept crashing on startup. Guess I'll let it cook for a while longer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Stupendous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It'll continue being relevant for EGS, GOG, and Amazon games. I'm betting Valve is working on an Android app that makes the experience way smoother out of the box. Keep in mind that there's plenty of games that aren't looking like Ghost of Tsushima. There's been a bunch of CRPG releases in the last decade. ARPG games too that aren't hard to run. Victor Vran. Grim Dawn has an upcoming update

But there's still enough hard to run games that games run through an x86 emulator will not be a real.replacement for the hard to run games. Going to at least need the day to come when devs commonly ship ARM binaries too

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