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Why did Pootin threaten the whole world with nuclear weapons, but then stopped doing so? (thelemmy.club)
submitted 9 months ago by labbbb@thelemmy.club to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The threat wasn't to attack. It was more of a warning, saying that if NATO was to step onto Russian soil he would use them.

Nuclear weapons are basically a defensive weapon. You never aim to use them but you have them as a deterrent. No country wants to mess with it or test whether a nuclear nation would use it

To do so is suicide, both to call their bluff or to use the weapons. So you get into a state where militarily no one can do anything (except wage a war in a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons).

That's kinda the purpose of nuclear weaponry. To use then it's basically game over for everyone everywhere.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

saying that if NATO was to step onto Russian soil he would use them.

Did he use those exact words? Last I recall he said if the existence of Russia was in jeopardy.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

you get into a state where militarily no one can do anything (except wage a war in a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons)

ok, I got it. Give every country nuclear weapons and then there is nowhere to wage war.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The proviso of this is that all the countries involved are led by sane, (reasonably) rational leaders. It also breaks down if they get into the hands of non-governmental forces. If they get into the hands of someone willing to act irrationality, a lot of people will be very screwed.

Interestingly, Ukraine was once a nuclear power. They had a significant chunk of the USSR's arsenal. They decommissioned them, due to safety concerns. Part of that deal was protection from invasion (both from Russia and NATO). I suspect they now regret giving up their nukes.

[–] Alimentar@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well military yes. You still have economic and cyber wars and colour revolutions (upsetting the locals to raise up against the power). Which honestly you're seeing more of.

Don't worry, the powers will always find ways to innovate.

[–] Toes@ani.social 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My understanding is China reminded them of their policies on nuclear escalation.

[–] Travalanche@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Care to remind us?

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

MAD.

If Russia uses nukes what is stopping other atomic powers from hitting Russia?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago

I always loved this acronym, because while it means Mutual Assured Destruction, which is a given in a world with numerous nuclear-weaponry-equiped nations, it's clear that someone who thought they could just send out nukes and not get any in return is literally madder than a hatter.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'll go ahead and venture another guess I don't see mentioned yet. It was one of many stall tactics he's employed, hoping to drag things out while the West (specific groups at least) grows weary of paying for proxy war.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 7 points 9 months ago

Honestly I suspect the countries supporting Ukraine are the ones dragging it out. Russia is getting it's military destroyed.

Five digit numbers of armored vehicles gone, around a thousand aircraft, incredibly expensive and irreplaceable military equipment in flames, and many men never coming home.

Russia is hurting because of this war, so from a certain cold-hearted utilitarian perspective the war is a good thing. Someone living somewhere like Latvia, and old enough to remember how badly the Russians treated them during the USSR, would see their military getting destroyed as a blessing even if they were sad to see the Kremlin leaving a trail of bodies through Donbas.

People act like Russia can just keep on fighting because of it's larger population, but it was having serious demographic trouble before this even started. Whereas Ukrainians have a just cause, and they're defending their homes and families.

[–] jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I am starting to heavily consider the option that this account is a bot. Look at his history

[–] labbbb@thelemmy.club 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You did not guess right

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 5 points 9 months ago

This is a statement a bit would make.

(Reading your post history, was very not bot like. Stay safe out there.)

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Every post is a question starting 2 days ago. There are some replies. Hmm... worth considering.

[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

I didn't know. Seems to be a teenager interested in computers and feels they are fighting a war against bots.

[–] labbbb@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You did not guess right

P.S. LOOK AT HIS HISTORY!!!! OoOoOoOh...

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

bot is when asking questions

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

Read "The Butter Battle Book" by Dr. Seuss....

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Haha! Pooted

[–] gigachad@feddit.de 2 points 9 months ago

If I remember correctly it was always the clown Medwedew who threatened to use nuclear weapons and throw them on London or some other bullshit, but never Putin directly

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because they are no longer scared of losing.

They stopped the counteroffensive and the west is cooling on the whole support for Ukraine thing. They think they can win this now.

And unless we do something, they could very well be right.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

And actually, nukes are part of the reasons we won't do much. Not only western nations aren't keen to send their kids dying in Ukraine. But Russia has nuke. A nuclear power engaging an offensive inside the territory of another nuclear power is a big risk of nuclear escalation. Remember the missile crisis in Cuba ? US officers considered a preemptive nuclear strike.

Nuclear power fight each other by proxy. See how NATO provide weapon to Ukraine, or how Wagner mercenaries attacked french troops in Africa.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@labbbb

Are you a person or a bot?

[–] labbbb@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm Mark Zuckerberg

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

A- I like your wit.

B- I really appreciate this comment because it taught me that if somebody edits their comment Lemmy will also retroactively change the comment notification to the edited text as well (when I saw it originally it was before your edit so the message said "I am an internet person" but now shows your Zuck joke)

[–] labbbb@thelemmy.club 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Well done, you received the True RuSSian Informer award. Also you won 2 bottles of RuSSian expired alcohol, specially from RuSSian police!

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago

He finally got an accurate inventory and found out all of the delivery systems and most of the nukes had required components sold off by the commanders

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think they weren't ever going to use them because they know they would get nuked in turn. Once it became clear the bluff wasn't working, makes you look weak to use a threat and not follow through.

[–] BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Plus many of them are so poorly maintained they likely wouldn't launch anyway. Missiles have a lot of upkeep

[–] Skua@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

While this may well be true, Russia has so many nukes and nukes are themselves so destructive that it's kinda cold comfort even if 90% of them fail

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social -1 points 9 months ago

He figured out that his military had no intention to die for his dick measuring contest.