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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A career criminal making death threats should go directly to jail.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trump didn't even "let him out." Stone got a Trump pardon before he ever saw the inside of a jail cell.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

Oh, yeah. Scumbags

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t read the article, at least read this excerpt:

“It’s time to do it,” Stone told Sal Greco, then a member of the NYPD who was working as Stone’s security. “Let’s go find Swalwell. It’s time to do it. Then we’ll see how brave the rest of them are. It’s time to do it. It’s either Nadler or Swalwell has to die before the election. They need to get the message. Let’s go find Swalwell and get this over with. I’m just not putting up with this shit anymore.”

This was transcribed from an audio recording. The source article claims to have the audio, but has not released it yet.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Mediaite has released it on Youtube

Can be found on MSNBC too but they source Mediaite.

[–] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nice, thank you! I searched for it, but obviously didn’t look hard enough. I’m glad it’s available. I know it won’t make a bit of difference to the christofascits, but at least it is available and on the record.

[–] pbjamm@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

There is nothing that the MAGA crowd would not dismiss as "fake news" including murder on live TV

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Will not be sad when this literal mobster dies.

[–] Case@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 months ago

You misspelled monster.

[–] JoMomma@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

Of course they weren't a joke, that man is an animated evil meat sack

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They weren’t threats in the criminal sense of the word. They weren’t communicated to the threatened person or to anyone who was likely to pass them on to the threatenee.

They also weren’t communicated to anyone who was likely to go and do something about it, so they weren’t incitement either.

At best they were an attempt at establishing a conspiracy, but I’m not convinced.

The fact that they probably aren’t a criminal act in themselves doesn’t mean the police shouldn’t investigate, but he’s not going to hang just for this.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"It's not a murder threat, it's an assassination plot"

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Yes, except that it’s not a conspiracy (plot) unless a) the other guy agrees and b) they do something other than talking (there is an overt act).

But yeah, if I were police I’d keep a close eye on him and see who else he talks to and what else he does.

[–] its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The legal fine points, important of course, fail to consider the legitimacy problem here. If you don't agree with your political opponents, you want to murder them. Conspiracy, violation of legal code, maybe not as some comments have pointed out.

Extremely dangerous in a system where you are supposed to peacefully transfer power? Thats the problem with his words, that people like him think that is ok AND have been shown to have the capacity and vision to walk towards action. Without so much as a meaningful consequence at that.

That train of though is dangerous in a democracy, for anyone. Even a flawed democracy like the US.