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[–] kiterios@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Imo, the part of this whole controversy that's really been danced around is how much of the disputed $250m bonus is developer bonus and how much is executive bonus. I would be very interested in more details around this breakdown and eligibility if anyone has seen it.

As far as I've seen, the only indicator that this was anything other than an executive bonus dispute was one executive claiming they were totally going to share it with the rest of the team after the shit went down and the story was in the press. Sorry if I find that claim less than reputable. What Krafton did was undeniably greedy and illegal, but how worked up am I supposed to get about executive payouts? It seems like the other employees weren't in the sale language at all, and there's a very real possibility they may end up getting larger bonuses now that the executives have resorted to using their development team as a tool to garner additional public sympathy.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

Probably will end up buying this. I liked the first one but eventually switched to Planet Crafter which i actually enjoyed more. But still, this game is going to be good, you just know it.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 94 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

And to think this game almost got cancelled because the CEO made a promise, got cold feet, and asked ChatGPT to weasel his ass out of it, and FOLLOWED THE PLAN, and LEFT RECEIPTS.

Rich people aren't smart for getting rich. They're incredibly fucking stupid as a baseline.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I totally want to know more about this

[–] QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 6 points 9 hours ago

If you want to dive into the court documents, you can here: https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions/Download.aspx?id=392880

But I would just recommend listening to some lawyers comment on the situation, like Opening Arguments: https://www.patreon.com/posts/idiot-ceo-used-153623405?collection=867807

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 73 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

Steam review excerpt from Ulrich

--" Their EULA specifically calls out the following behavior and actions as not allowed and will result in the termination of your license:

  • Using a VPN.
  • Streaming the game.
  • Making fan art.
  • "Taking actions that go against social norms"
  • Playing the game on more than one device without buying more than one license.
  • Any action that "Tarnishes the reputation of Krafton"

They also mention that they:

  • Reserve the right to "remote access the game" at any time, meaning they have backdoor access to your computer.
  • Reserve the right to harvest your personal data, such as full legal name, email, physical address, phone number, gender, etc.
  • Will pass that data on to third party providers, such as marketing agencies and cloud services
  • Provide no guarantee that the data is protected or anonymized in any way (it includes your name and address so how could it be, anyway?) "--

Might want to read the eula for the game, otherwise you might lose access to it.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Link to the terms of service here: https://subnautica.com/en/policy/tos

I didn't see anything about VPNs.

Besides that, it's definitely an overreaching document. I expect it to get a failing grade at ToS;DR.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What's funny is that the EU has already ruled the EULAs are not legally enforceable. So that custom EU version is irrelevant and they may as well have not bothered.

[–] Epzillon@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Any source on that? As a european i am very interested on reading up on this!

[–] Airfried@piefed.social 5 points 15 hours ago

Shouldn't there be a Steam EULA or something that overwrites BS like this? I don't know. I'm genuinely curious if that holds up. If developers really can terminate your license willy-nilly and damage Valve's reputation by doing so. Because it would sound like a PR nightmare for the store front too.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Wouldn't they lose access to their own rights by causing a scandal that tarnishes Kraftons reputation?

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

They are not end users. So the End User License Agreement wouldn't apply

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

why would they include themselves in it when they can make onesided demands?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 57 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

The three claimed, however, that Krafton had betrayed them by firing them right before delaying Subnautica 2, a move they allege was designed to deliberately prevent its Early Access release, and avoid it selling well enough to trigger a $250 million bonus for the development team.

Disgusting if true.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 141 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

What do you mean if true? They went to court and produced the ChatGPT logs that Krafton CEO used to strategize how to get out of paying the bonus.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

And people buy it in record numbers anyway? 😬

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 99 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (6 children)

Yeah, the judge reversed the layoffs and reinstated the Unknown Worlds team, and now they'll get the bonus. But yes very awkward all around.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 7 hours ago

Something fair and good happening in America? Count your blessings....

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

OK I didn't see the article mention that. Only that they leaders were fired, and everybody lost the bonus.
I guess it ended OK then?

[–] QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The judge extended the deadline on the bonus by 9 months (to September).

If Subnautica earns $69.8million in revenue by then, Krafton will need to pay up the full $250million to the team.

https://gamerant.com/subnautica-2-250-million-bonus/

Considering it sold 2 million copies in 12 hours, at $30 each, I'm assuming they're very close to reaching that (if they haven't already).

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

70 Million in revenue (not profit) for a 250 Million bonus ... all else aside, was the executive who signed that high on coke?

[–] QuadratureSurfer@piefed.social 4 points 10 hours ago

That's correct, revenue, not profit.

The CEO of Krafton was the one who signed the deal. He definitely had buyers remorse which is why he ended up ignoring his lawyers and turning to ChatGPT for advice on how to delay the release of Subnautica 2 and avoid the payout.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 9 hours ago

No wonder the idiot tried to get out of it what a stupid thing to agree to. Perhaps a change in management might be a good idea, the current CEO appears to be throwing good money after bad.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 32 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Personally - I'm not buying the game. Krafton still owns the studio, and they've done nothing to make the situation better. Court mandated remediations aside, krafton tried to abuse these devs and steal what they were owed. They're still working under a hostile parent company and likely will become a skeleton crew in no time.

Best case scenario unknown worlds can use the money to split themselves into a new studio.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

It's sad the the gaming industry so often turn toxic. 😒

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[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 20 hours ago

It does mention:

Earlier this year, publisher Krafton was accused of ignoring a court order by announcing to staff that the game was releasing in May, despite such a decision seemingly being the responsibility of the newly reinstated CEO Ted Gill.

Gill is the first person named as part of "the three".

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[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 18 hours ago

I sure haven't, and won't. If that's what their leadership wants, I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. There are many other games, I don't need to play this particular one that badly.

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 23 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda shitty for the site to phrase this as an allegation; it is exactly what the court found occurred, so there's no risk of misstating or libel exposure.

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[–] AcesFullOfKings@feddit.uk 18 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

But it's in Early Access.. so I don't wanna see yet. I'll wait for full release

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[–] Teknikal@anarchist.nexus 5 points 19 hours ago

I have a soft spot for the first two, but that's mainly because I can play them on my phone and the controls actually aren't awful like most mobile games.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

It's fine. It's just the first game with a shitty UE5 plaster on top and a slightly different story. Wish they'd improved upon the general depth of interaction with the world, but it's exactly the same as the other two.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

They fixed a bunch of mechanics and are adding multiplayer so that’s nice.

[–] TRBoom@lemmy.zip 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Co-op with my brothers and dad (who was a scuba trainer) is gonna be a blast.

I have a general unease about the sea and water in general so I'm sure it'll have some lovely tense moments once we get playing.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I have a general unease about the sea and water in general so I'm sure it'll have some lovely tense moments once we get playing.

For me the first one went from relaxing to anxiety-inducing quite quickly once you started to go deep

[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah the first one is downright terrifying lmao

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[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck this game. The CEO ties to fuck over employees and last year they announced shifting to "AI first" for gaming. Fuck Krafton and every game they make or buy.

[–] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 20 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

The CEO got punished for it, dude. Let go. The game is only alive because the employees fought the dipshit tooth and nail at every turn and he got shafted. Now he owes all the employees 250 million.

[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

caveat: the game still has to sell at least 3M copies for the devs to get the $250M

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

They sold 2M copies in the first 12h, I think they'll hit that target.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The CEO got punished for it, dude.

How many years did he get?

[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 9 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Lost full rights of any managerial ability with subnautica 2 & reinstated the old CEO & required to pay the bonus out if sale targets are hit and the deadline was extended to September/w the ability to delay the deadline further to march 2027 at the choice of Unknown World.

That's also ignoring monetary damages and punishment for it which is phase two of the lawsuit and currently in the courts still.

I doubt jail time will be done(nor should it really as this is all monetary issues) but, punishment for the blatent breakage of the EPA terms is likely nowhere near over for krafton.

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