Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

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[–] Gallardo994@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd personally at least give them a chance. Defederating is a pretty easy process and can be performed at any point in time. At least some Threads users may as well get to know about Lemmy and switch to it.

Upd: yes I do understand many people don't trust Meta and neither do I. But I also understand lots and lots of users here are using anonymous accounts, and federation information is already public to begin with. Combining the fact that Fediverse may gain more than it may lose, including more users, original content, recognition and etc, I generally think it's worth the risk. I am generally content with any decision, just sharing my two pennies of thought.

[–] RoverRacecar@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can kinda see the point, but also without providing actual reasons, this post just seems like a LARP.

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, close that protocol! Build the walls around our garden higher! No need to wait for them to actually do something worth defederating over, we just don't like them!

This is silly. A major social media network is trying to join the Fediverse and everyone's keen on stopping it. If Meta does something dirty or damaging, sure, defederate them then. But I was kind of hoping that open protocols would flourish, not just end up as another bunch of balkanized forums and Reddit-likes.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

This IS Facebook. It's guaranteed. They're evil. Block them now.

[–] Szymon@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Ever play Plague Inc? The secret to winning is to not become deadly until you've already become engrained and established throughout society. Then you add the deadly features once you're too deep in.

Don't let the cancer establish itself as something innocent. The owner of the platform WILL take any opportunity to seize control of the media so it can seize control of the message.

[–] Creatortray@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Okay. I’ve seen stuff like this on both mastodon, and here, but i haven’t heard about them doing anything that would actually harm the fediverse. I guess i don’t know what the problem is. I know they’ve got a negative reputation, and for good reason, but isn’t that the awesome part of threads being federated? We can follow and connect to people there without being part of their system, and therefor not susceptible to their bs? If I’m missing something please fill me in.

[–] Sanyanov@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

People are concerned because there were examples of such things going horribly wrong, most notably with Google and XMPP.

Way back in the day, Google announced that its Talk messenger will support XMPP, which made decentralization fans very happy - finally, they can communicate with everyone from the comfort of their decentralized instance!..oh.

Google started implementing features in Talk that are incompatible with XMPP, and then dropped XMPP support altogether, ending up deprecating Talk in favor of Google-only Hangouts. This forced many XMPP users to get into Google's ecosystem, since the people they contacted through XMPP were mostly just using Google Talk, and they couldn't be contacted through XMPP any more. As a result, XMPP became worse off than it started and got practically forgotten by all but 1,5 nerds who keep it alive.

now most of their contacts were in defederated Google to which they now didn't have access.

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[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How about users make decisions for themselves and block Threads if they want?

[–] Yoz@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the issue here is users data will be on threads server which god knows how it will be used. To train AI? To target ads ? Nobody knows so better everyone block threads and keep internet safe as these companies have destroyed internet.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Public Mastodon posts are already indexed by search engines.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Indexing by search engines and what Meta harvests are astronomically different - I fail to see your point.

[–] corbin@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I am on Mastodon, there is nothing that Threads can collect from me that they can not get already. My posts are public, Meta or anyone else doesn’t need permission to look at them.

The only risk is if I am sending direct messages to someone on Threads from Mastodon, then obviously Meta has a copy. ActivityPub is not E2E encrypted, you shouldn’t be using it for private communication at all, the threat model is the same between Threads and any other Mastodon server.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Alright, fair enough, but why would anyone allow meta even an inch of space into a 'free' platform? Have you seen the numerous ( and to be fair, much better articulated) comments on this very thread concerning "EEE"? Don't you think it's alarming how many people support Meta joining?

I'm thinking of it from a grand scale: Folks in this thread are essentially saying "awe, c'mon, it's probably okay if Zuck's mega-corp puts it's foot in the door of a burgeoning federated forum community; what could go wrong?"

Hey- let's talk in five years and see what happens- yeah?

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[–] letsmakeafriendship@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In favor of defederation. If I start seeing garbage from threads in my feed, I'm switching instances. I don't want Meta pushing their divisive, hateful, misinformation all up in my feeds. Meta will kill fedi. We don't need them.

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