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macOS 27 requires Apple Silicon, as Apple draws down the Intel Mac era (arstechnica.com)
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[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Just a quick heads up for those planning on installing Linux on their Mac. There are about three types of Macs: Intel Macs, T2 Macs and Apple Silicon Macs.

  • Linux should work fine on Intel Macs, but some people at least seem to have problems with the Touch Bar.
  • T2 Macs are a flavor of Intel Macs. If your Mac has T2 chip, you must use T2Linux flavor of your distro. The overall experience might not be perfectly smooth, expect some issues with at least Touch Bar, suspend and connectivity. Some fixes should arrive later this year, as far as I know.
  • Asahi Linux currently supports M1 and M2 Macs. M3 and M4 are unsupported.
[–] fira@lemmy.today 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As a T2 Ubuntu user, the only thing that I really notice is that sleep/wake is pretty iffy. It’s annoying, but not a deal breaker by any means.

For anyone thinking of making the jump: the installation is pretty straight forward if you follow the directions

[–] niceusername@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Touchbar work? Would be a shame if mine just turned into very nice e-waste and I CBA with a neo or sell a kidney for a framework

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago

Touch Bar works, but can be a bit finicky. For example, it might work properly after reboot. Put the Mac to sleep, and after wake the Touch Bar has lost part of its functionality.

There's a new yet-to-be-released project that significantly improves the Touch Bar experience. It lets you display basically anything you want on the Touch Bar. System monitor, weather widgets, games, etc. It even has support for application specific controls. They might publicly release it within the next few days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_on_mac/comments/1u2cgs7/i_turned_my_t2_macbooks_touch_bar_into_a_fully

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 80 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Good thing almost all flavors of Linux run flawlessly on the x86 models.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

True but also sadly as all the new models are a struggle to get working. So locked down they will likely end up much more in the landfills.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

My daily driver is an M2 Macbook air running Asahi Linux. There are certainly some hardware parts I wished worked better right now, but its fully for my needs usable as is. Improvements are occurring regularly by the development team. Apple hardware really is solid, and I'm very happy that in the rare cases I do have to use a commercial OS (Netflix streaming for example), I don't have to use Windows. Its a dual boot machine (Linux/OSX).

Overall I'm pretty happy with Linux on this M2. Theres a handful of us here on Lemmy running it. You can find us at !asahilinux@lemmy.world

[–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

A quick question before research: is it fully working by now? Or are there some things you can live without?

E.g. I remember Thunderbolt wasn’t working, and wasn’t sure what that means. Either the port is not functioning or it works slower. I’d like to have a functioning display, so that matters to me. I’ve got an impression that Linux can work on Apple Silicon, if you’re ready to abandon some things here and there. I’d love to have it at least mostly functioning.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

A quick question before research: is it fully working by now?

Is every hardware function in the laptop that works in OSX available in Asahi? No.

I’d like to have a functioning display

I think you're asking about "DisplayPort Alt Mode" which is where you can plug a dongle into one of the USB-C ports and output the local GPU to DP or HDMI. The answer to that is "yes, depending on how adventurous you are". There's an experimental kernel that does support it today. I don't think its in the main branch yet. I intentionally run version 43 (1 behind the current 44). However, I use a USB-C DisplayLink HDMI adapter for an external display and it does most of what I want right now without the experimental kernel. I do want "DisplayPort Alt Mode", and will use it when its available though.

If you have an M1 or M2 Macbook Pro with HDMI port built-in, those work right now. The challenge being worked through is a display port that gets unplugged, which only happens on the USB-C port Display Port.

I’ve got an impression that Linux can work on Apple Silicon, if you’re ready to abandon some things here and there.

I wouldn't use the word "abandon" but rather "wait for". Power management efficiency doesn't come close to native Apple OSX, but under Asahi it has enough battery for my needs. I only charge to 80% (supported natively in Fedora KDE) and get about 3 hours of runtime on battery for light to moderate use. I also read that this has improved a chunk in version 44, but again, I'm not running that version yet.

Another piece of hardware not supported on Asahi yet is the MLX engine. I've been experimenting with running local LLMs, and they do run under Asahi Linux, but the hardware includes MLX in OSX. There are some models specifically made to utilize MLX which result in significant performance improvements in inferencing speeds. The unified memory of the Macbooks means system RAM is available for LLM use, so I can run 16GB models while still having 8GB of RAM left over for other applications and OS functions on this Macbook Air. The RAM footprint for LLM works in both Asahi and OSX.

Keep in mind, this is a dual boot system. I still have OSX available if I need one of those Apple OSX specific function or extended battery life only one reboot away.

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[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Meh, I've only had trouble with TouchBar MacBooks: because TouchBar, sound and webcam processing are delegated to a secondary chip, they do not work natively on Linux.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 4 points 4 days ago

If it's T2 Mac, you should use T2Linux. If it's a non-T2 TouchBar Mac... Maybe something in the T2Linux wiki helps? At least on T2 Macs, certain modules needs to be loaded in specific order, or the TB won't work.

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[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 days ago

T2 Macs are a flavor of Intel (x86) Macs, and they require T2Linux flavor of Linux.

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[–] sqauffle@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago

Those Intel Macs aren't really that old. I had the last good MacBook Pro they made in 2015, which still had the glowing logo, then the the slump with the touchbar shits happened in 2016-2017.

In 2017 I traded the MacBook for a Dell XPS 13. Like the MacBook, the build quality is really good. It's running as a server in my media room. I'm running Ubuntu and I open it up daily to acquire new media, organize files, tweak my Jellyfin settings, etc.

There is no reason that 2017 XPS laptop couldn't serve as my daily driver. My OS is fully up to date and I applied a firmware update last night. The end of life for that device is nowhere in sight; it's peaking honestly. But if I had kept the MacBook, which was the highest quality laptop hardware you could possibly buy, for a premium price, Apple would be telling me it was no longer supported?

Regardless, Linux rocks so I hope Mac owners find joy installing a fun new OS on their good quality hardware. Here's to the next ten years of life!

[–] tomatoely@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 days ago

RIP Hackintosh 💔

[–] niceusername@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

My touchbar pro 😞

Anyone got good recommendations for what distro will work on it?

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

"Golden Gate"? That's the lamest name for a macOS release ever IMO.

Edit: As expected, half the page on Apple's website talks about AI with only vague things about performance and UI improvements. I'll be staying on Tahoe for now.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

While I loathe AI bullshit, Apple is at least prioritizing local, on-device AI and end-to-end encryption with their cloud AI services.

I'll still be passing on any of this bullshit, but I appreciate that they tried to make a less problematic version.

[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What does end-to-end encryption even accomplish when you're just feeding the information into an obscured, blackbox AI on the other end?

Like yes, I understand the importance of E2EE, I'm just making a point, it's all rather ridiculous.

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

It’s not E2EE that matters most, but Apple’s Private Compute

[–] msage@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Thank you, this is exactly true.

Most internet things are E2EE nowadays, but it matters not when the other end is AWS, Google, Cloudflare, or OpenAI.

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[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'll lift a comment I posted elsewhere on the topic of the name.

From a 9to5mac article on the topic:

Breaking with tradition, Apple didn’t name macOS 27 after a national park, lake, or other natural landmark. Instead, this year’s release is named after San Francisco’s iconic Golden Gate Bridge.

Typical of 9to5mac "reporting." The Golden Gate is a natural landmark, it's the strait between San Francisco and Marin which the famous bridge spans. Nowhere in the OS release even says the word bridge.

Fun fact. While it might seem safe to assume the "gold" in Golden Gate refers to the gold discovery about 100 miles upriver that started the California gold rush, it was in fact named the Golden Gate prior to the gold discovery. John C. Fremont (my favorite early Californian) named it such because of the color of the hillsides when he first arrived.

[–] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The WWDC presentation yesterday was hilarious. Almost everything they said about the UI could be boiled down to: "We're undoing some of the incredibly bad decisions we made last year. Not all of them, but some of the big ones!"

They then went on to demo the new improved Siri, and as someone who doesn't use Siri, all I could think was "wait...Siri couldn't do this 10 years ago?!"

What a sad state of affairs.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

It was incredibly tonedeaf. AI is not what people want, Tim.

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[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

I guess “f- them ‘poor’ developers.” Like, Hackintosh people had a chance to learn macOS development, but now? Why buy that spendy hardware? And I’m not talking about shops. I mean, indie developers.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Honestly Linux desktop is in such a good state these days that I have absolute zero care what happens to the rest of desktop ecosystem. If you're looking to get away from macos then just do it - get linux with gnome and you won't regret it. If you're moving from windows get KDE instead but both are incredible desktop environments that are far ahead of competition.

[–] xSikes@feddit.online 15 points 4 days ago

Stop being so pushing with the 26.5 update on my my devices. Everyday multiple times a day holy fuck. I need Linux mobile devices.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

At this point put Linux on them. There are distros that even look and feel like Mac OS out there too.

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[–] kobra@piefed.social 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (26 children)

I have a 2019 MacBook Pro and stopped updating it at Sonoma. The new OSes are just too much for that Intel chip anyway.

The M-series processors are amazing though, I've had such a good experience with them.

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 15 points 5 days ago

Yeah, say what you will about Apple, but they really nailed the M processors.

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[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I thought they already did that a few years back?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago

Very few Intel devices supported Mac OS 26. They’d been winding down supported machines for a while before that.

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[–] wltr@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A good thing in my book. Intel models are getting cheaper now. (Me eyeing a Mac mini, or a couple even.)

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'd imagine Intel Mac minis are approaching the price of a Raspberry Pi.

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