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Just use an old version of Audacity. Audacity was never a good DAW. It's like...
Sound Recorder is Notepad, Audacity is Wordpad, and your actual DAW is actual Word.
I've always seen the act of beefing-up and feature-bloating audacity as incredibly counter productive. Make it more efficient and lighter weight and streamline the UI. Make it start and stop VERY fast. And no logins or purchases or accounts or telemetry or any of that bullshit, Audacity is the desert island editor that requires no DRM or setup and will be the best balance of it-just-works and ability, given enough time.
That is why I use tenacity, it is excally what you discribed
It adds two toolbar buttons, share audio and get plugins, which seem to be only usable with an audio.com account and are not removable. Bummer.
isn’t audacity spyware now? or did they stop that
they stopped that very soon after the controversy started
The fact that they even considered this, made me lose trust in them. Tenacity FTW.
i never understood the vitriol against debug-only opt-in telemetry
First, it was never meant to be opt in.
Second, that's like saying you don't see the problem with the Nuremberg laws.
Taken out of context, they're bad.
Taken in context, they're the first step towards something much, much worse.
And when such a canary in the coalmine dies the rational response is to not understand how it died and proceed further down the mine.
it was never meant to be opt in.
Source? I've posted numerous pieces of evidence to the contrary:
people finding out: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#issuecomment-833778895
people highlight the opt-in dialog text: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#discussion_r627756976
there are no commits in between; it could not have been changed to opt-in "when people found out" as you claim.
For one thing the Nuremberg Laws (1935) prohibit interracial marriage. That alone is bad. I also believe laws that restrict citizenship are bad. Of course I see a big problem with allat.
There were also many more "incidents" in the four years following the Nuremberg Laws... Audacity, none.
Just like the laws, that's just the first step. Today it's opt in and soon enough it'll have no opt-out.
any day now trump is gonna rejuvenate the economy
it's been four years now
I'll venture, it's a natural if misdirected immune reaction from people who are all too aware they are being tracked ceaselessly and relentlessly, all day, everyday, not to their benefit. So sure, this one piece of software swears its own tracking is just for debugging purposes... But why risk it?
that does explain a lot, thank you! /genuine
It only became opt-in when people found out.
And it's not the only problem I have with Audacity, this is from an article in slashgear
"...For example, it says that it collects data necessary for law enforcement but doesn't specify what kind of data is collected.
There are also questions regarding the storage of data, which is located in servers in the USA, Russia, and the European Economic Area. IP addresses, for example, are stored in an identifiable way for a day before being hashed and then stored in servers for a year. The new policy also disallows people under the age of 13 from using the software, which, as FOSS Post points out, is a violation of the GPL license that Audacity uses."
it was always opt-in.
people finding out: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#issuecomment-833778895
people highlight the opt-in dialog text: https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835#discussion_r627756976
there are no commits in between; it could not have been changed to opt-in "when people found out" as you claim.
Perhaps you are right, I could be remembering it wrong (but really I don't feel like wading through that comment-section), the telemetry was just the tip of the iceberg for me, violating GPL licence and things like using google and yandex are among many reasons I just don't trust them with my music.
the google and yandex thing is the telemetry thing, and i talk about the privacy policy (the GPL thing you mention) below. what are the other reasons? all i see is the CLA thing which is very very legit, but again all of these things are from four or five years ago, and we can always riot when they do turn it proprietary.
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Let's say, they had the Audacity
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Meh. Prefer Tenacity without the enshittification.
Yeah, mee too. However, there wouldn't be any Tenacity without Audacity. Besides, Tenacity looks quite far from upstream commits. Doesn't paint a bright future for the fork. I wish more devs offered their help.
The dev team changed. Audacity wasn't always maintianed by Musescore, it was its own thing.
They aren't responsible for what Audacity was or what it in essence is. They did not create the app nor maintain it for most of its existance. New management is only a few years old.
What new management is responsible for is the new features during their tenure, the redesign and turning Audacity into a shill for their online service.
There wouldn't be any under-new-management-Audacity without old Audacity just as Tenacity.
So saying something like what you did makes little sense and belittles Tenacity developers while raising new shills to the status of founding fathers.
I agree, I didn't know that.
tenacity development looks somewhat moribund and lacks so many of audacity's added features and fixes like pasting audio. tenacity's release porting audacity's added realtime effects, beats and measures view, and opus support has only been present in an alpha released eight months ago.
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Audacity is fine but its operations are destructive. I've been trying to learn Ardour, but it's a completely different beast...
Fwiw try out Reaper. Much easier and more professional than ardour, but unfortunately not open source. It supports a custom JavaScript system for making your own plugins on the fly, though, and is crazy powerful.
Thanks for the advice
I don't think OP's link mentions it but iirc one of the major changes in Audacity 4.0 is supposed to be non-destructive editing. At least that's what I think I remember hearing like a year or more ago.
Does anyone know if Audacity 4.0 allows for more recording tracks at a time? Last I tried, it could only record to a single stereo track at a time.
It already supports realtime audio plugins now, which are non-destructive.
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