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‘Who is going to pay us when we’re replaced by robots?’ Indian factory workers told to film themselves for AI (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

You know given the differences in prevailing wages I'd bet it's easier for a USAian to fund an Indian union's strike fund. Workers of the world unite, but is anyone out here facilitating that?

[–] GutterRat42@lemmy.world 55 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Fucking rich people. Can't cook a meal, can't hunt without being driven to and put in front of a doped animal, can't farm, can't change a lightbulb, can't wipe their own ass, can't do anything by themselves, but somehow they are the ones who own the property and all the resources. They are fucking useless and they need to be reminded of that

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 minutes ago

Excessive wealth is a disease, and in some cultures is known to be such. Here in the US, since the California gold rush we've had this idea that ordinary people could strike it rich, and so we aspire to join the well-to-do (even while J. P. Morgan would literally kill Carnegie to take his share. The ultra-wealthy are more dog-eat-dog than the rest of us.)

I can't speak for the rest of the industrialized neoliberal nations, but Great Britain seems to be okay with lords owning billions and using their wealth and power to control policy. Meanwhile the tech-bros that are crushing the soul of the US are also getting their tendrils into the rest of the world, buying up politicians and spreading far-right propaganda globally.

[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

That includes middle and upper management at almost every company. They want to make the rules and fire people so they can buy a boat, but they couldn't do the work if their life depended on it. I'd love to see our CEO try to do an operation on the manufacturing floor. The suits are rude, slow, and just annoying.

[–] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 19 points 14 hours ago

Capitalism is a death cult

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting that the overlords think that removing the last barrier to their downfall will not end in violence.

[–] ComradePenguin@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

"Capitalists will sell the rope in which they will be hung." Paraphrased from Lenin I think

[–] CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world 30 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

#ABoringDystopia

[–] lumpyluggage@lemmy.world -2 points 12 hours ago

I mean, it's a dystopia but it's not boring. This is pretty futuristic and interesting.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Every time I think it's as fucked as it can get for now, I get crotch punched again.

[–] dabu@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Fuckers

[+] Aviandelight@mander.xyz -6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I genuinely have no idea why everyone thinks that robots are going to completely replace people. Machines need money, upkeep, and people babysitting them too. Automation only changes the types of jobs and skills needed, it doesn't eliminate human jobs completely.

[–] thechemicalmind@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The lump of labour fallacy was applicable to horses for 2000 years, new inventions that improved efficiency increased their demand ever further until the internal combustion engine closed every remaining niche all at once. The same will happen to us, it's mathematically inevitable. It might not be LLMs that do it, but something will.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

i mean you say that, but every time i see an AI or algorithm try to work in one of my fields of expertise it's laughable how bad it is. maybe it's not obvious to the layman, but try to ask it about something you're an expert in. like it gives explicitly wrong information. people think it only hallucinates 1/5 of the time because the other 4/5 they're asking about shit they don't know

[–] thechemicalmind@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. Like I also said. It might not be LLMs. The same was once true of steam engines, which were great at long distances perhaps but were huge, heavy, expensive and complicated and required a team of people to operate. Horses became even more valuable for their last mile stuff. It took time before the internal combustion engine and 4 stroke compression suddenly made engine power smaller, cheaper, more efficient and easy to operate by a single person. In 1918, the US for example had 27 million head of horse, by 1960 it was 3 million. All I'm saying is that it will happen. When? I have no idea.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

so like, i'm with you, only it's not just artificial intelligence it's also the power requirements. usable fusion is always 5 years away. like there's even been articles about it. scaling up green energy just to meet our demands (and i'm not an expert, i'm just really good at estimating) could provide the power to a society, but the first few AI will need many times that. as i understand my Machine Learning colleagues from college (and it's been a while since i've spoken to these friends, you know the type you see them every few years and no time has passed) we're really good at throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping it sticks. getting the spaghetti to cook itself, throw itself at the wall, and stick the first try? well we can make it look like that happens

[–] thechemicalmind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

For sure man. Haha yeah we are. It's true. This is the critical aspect: teaching the spaghetti to harvest itself, make itself and cook itself. I think we are a ways away from it, but who knows. Energy requirements is also a huge issue.

[+] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

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[–] CandleTiger@programming.dev 9 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

those jobs just pivoted

How many car jobs are there now compared to however many horse jobs there used to be?

I feel like it’s many many fewer jobs, and the horse jobs did more of a disappearance than a pivot. But I don’t know it.

Does anyone here have data?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, I saw data once. Everyone likes to parrot the concept that past industrial revolutions lead to all sorts of new jobs and the economy kicking it up a gear. But the jobs never pivot. The jobs are lost. A generation or two is disrupted, and worse off before their children and garandchildren see any benefit

That’s ok, because their misery and poverty lets us sit back from the distance of a century and claim it was all for the better

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

The industrial revolution began in Britain around 1760, but living standards for most people did not meaningfully improve until the late 19th century, they even fell in the first few decades.

That's over an entire century, or at least four to five generations for meaningful improvement.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 3 points 12 hours ago

The issue isn't that there are zero jobs. The issue is that there are far, far fewer jobs after automation and there are not other options.

We have massively reduced farm labor through automation, but people moved to industrial manufacturing. Manufacturing automation moved labor to office work and service jobs. In both there are still some people who design, build, and maintain the machinery, but they are a small fraction of what came before. We don't have additional jobs waiting to be filled, and with big increases in automation it will be easier to automate any new potential source of labor.

This could be avoided by universal income and health care and other approaches where the general public benefits from all this automation, but the environment that pushes the automation gives them the power to keep that from happening.