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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 140 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

so if you meet an American that is oddly unslouched or disleaned they are "likely" a CIA operative

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Me: (standing with impeccable form) No.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's exactly what a CIA agent would say!

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, they're gonna Kennedy your ass!

[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Stop threatening my freedoms with your straight back and upright head positions!

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I just do a casual handstand to dispel any concerns

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 89 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Skin tone wise, I'm pretty white. My DNA is something like 98% of European ancestry. However, I was born and raised in the USA, but to Cuban immigrants. My first language was Spanish and I use all of the slang because that was the only language used in my house since my parents never learned English. I speak with my hands. When I speak Spanish to Hispanophones, they comment on how thick my Cuban accent is. When I hang out with new people, there's a good chance someone will ask me where I'm from. Basically, there's something about me that tells people I'm not a typical White American.

I have been to Cuba about 20 times. I can wear my Cuban cousin's clothes and catch a local bus in the remote parts of Havana in which we are literally packed to the practical max. It's so packed, you dont need to hold anything to stay standing because you couldn't possibly fall, and unless you're right underneath the bar, you couldn't reach it anyway. This is where no tourist would ever think to go. Yet, someone will still recognize me as a foreigner. WTF? There's something intrinsically American about me.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm reasonably pale. In Argentina, nobody notices me unless I speak. In Mexico, I don't get a chance to speak Spanish.

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I confuse people in Argentina because I have olive skin and dark curly hair, and I speak Spanish with a porteño accent, however my Spanish is only barely at the "simple conversations" level

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

There are also full on gingers walking around Buenos Aires so nobody really pays attention much to skin color when deciding where they are from. You get it all down there.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

On the other side of this, I’m white as they come, born and raised in the Midwest by very white parents also born and raised in the Midwest.

People ask where I’m from way way more often than they should, in my own home state. Where I spent all but 5 years of my life.

I have no clue why, but they don’t think I’m from the US.

Some possible related things - When I was a kid people used to tell my mom I look “exotic” and I still don’t know what that means in relation to my appearance; I look like everyone in my dad’s family. I spent a couple years in California and a couple years in Texas, and learned Russian, Spanish, and Japanese (and a spattering of phrases and grammar from other languages, almost none of which I remember), plus consume a fair bit of foreign media. But I don’t really think I picked up accent features, at least none I’ve had anyone able to pinpoint.

Either way, that conversation always turns into a slog of “there’s just something that tells me you are from somewhere else, are you sure I’m wrong???”

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

I spent a couple years in California and a couple years in Texas

Honestly, that can do it. Even if it's completely indiscernible to you, people that spent their whole life in one place will pick up on tiny things in the way you speak or gesture and often wouldn't be able to describe why they think you're from somewhere else.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Did you ever ask what gave you away?

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, but I never got any definitive answers. They would just be vague and say it was something about me.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Body language. It is an unconscious behavior that people adopt in a culture.

If you travel to enough places and are observant, after a while you can pick out the cultures where people are from without a word.

[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Could be you smelled American.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 13 points 8 months ago

The giant weed cloud that follows me around was a dead giveaway.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Huh, wonder what the subtle body language was?

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This might be offensive, but I want everyone to know that my intentions are innocent. I'm only expressing how I think. If I do say something offensive, I would like to know so that I could work on it because I want to get better at understanding in an inclusive and fair manner. Because I even thought to write this disclaimer, I'm guessing there probably is something offensive, so if there is, please let me know where I'm being a jerk.

From my experience noticing other people's body language in both countries, people in Cuba seem wayyy more laid back and free with their body language. In the US, it seems like people are trying to meet an undisclosed standard of presenting as "having it together", so people seem rigid and stuck. My interpretation is that people in Cuba are more authentic with their emotions, while people in the US are more controlled. My guess is that I probably look emotionally blunted to the people in Cuba.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Not offensive in the slightest, that could very well be it.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 60 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

They'll figure you right out in Eastern Germany if you don't wait at a crosswalk like this:

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I, too, T-pose at intersections while waiting to cross as a pedestrian.

[–] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then walk confidently with a full, massive erection as I cross

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 7 points 8 months ago

Assert dominance when standing and walking.

[–] nodimetotie@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

He’s just carrying a baguette

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 33 points 8 months ago

Man, I hated the part where you have to walk around balancing a book on your head

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Cokeser@feddit.de 11 points 8 months ago

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 32 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

It's true, just look at the incredible posture of this French spy:

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Now focus! Or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing that has happened to you today!

[–] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That guy’s sitting up really straight. He must be CIA

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 25 points 8 months ago

"No mom, my posture isn't horrible, I'm being patriotic!"

[–] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How about hands in pockets? IIRC Anzac slang for pockets was "Yankee gloves".

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Anzac, so we’re talking 100 years ago when cunts were probably beaten with a ruler to be prim and proper posh fucks?

Yeah, nah mate. Hands are gonna be in me pocket if I want.

[–] coaxil@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Farken tell em quok!!!!

[–] CosmicApe@kbin.social 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 14 points 8 months ago

We’re all American on this blessed day.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The torture lady wants me to not lean? Hey that’s great. She can go to hell now.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 9 points 8 months ago

Did you just out yourself as a spy?

[–] thesmokingman@programming.dev 3 points 8 months ago

Counterpoint: Lars Ulrich