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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

Newsflash NYT, everyone knows that. We all talked about that years ago when the return to office shit kicked off en masse.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's commercial real estate value

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It’s part this and it’s also part taxes (but mostly narcissism). I work in commercial real estate. Our parent company was being leaned on by the city to get people back in the office.

Cities set up commercial areas and put various tax laws on those places. Suddenly, people are at home spending money close to their homes instead of the commercial districts. It messes up the balance.

Additionally, property owners can be punished if their tenant isn’t operating in the space, even if they are paying rent bc all the related tenants depends on that office. (If no one is in your office, the nearby chipotle doesn’t make money.).

When that happens property owners lose the ability to manage their own rent income and their lender manages their cash directly. Property owners/borrowers do not like this.

Personally, I think we should let those businesses fail and let new businesses form where people actually live. But then I’d be out of a job.

I’ll probably lose my job to AI soon anyway.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Pardon me for saying, but that's such a USA way of working. What a mess.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

You’re not wrong. I hate my job.

[–] lavember@programming.dev 1 points 3 months ago

folks make bullshit rules that are self-reinforcing

that is depressing

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Letting those businesses fail means allowing commercial real estate values to bottom out, and that means all the securities that are backed by the value of those assets drop in value. It would be a massive financial destruction event.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I’m fine with that but that’s why I said I’d be out of a job. The USA designed its cities badly.

[–] frisbird@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

It's not about whether or not you'd be fine with it. It's an explanation for why bosses want everyone back in the office. Yes, there's an emotional narcissism to management across the US, but I don't think that's enough to explain the RTO phenomenon. It's more likely driven by the fact that a collapse of commercial real estate value would destroy so much value in the economy that every executive would lose millions, and some would lose billions.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago

I always assumed it was to keep everyone busier with commutes so we have less time and energy to organize against and criticize the ruling class.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

When you finally get an office instead of a cubicle but now everyone is at home and has their own office so you don’t get to brag about it.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 months ago

Also, shouting at an underling over Zoom isn't as satisfying.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

It’s great to see this in ultra mainstream NYT.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In the years after the epidemic lockdown the RTO mandates started coming hard and fast, and it was evident for two clear reasons.

a) Upper management was feeling lonely and wanted its entourage back. They feel powerful when they see busy workers being busy for their benefit. See also BULLSHIT JOBS, and...

b) Companies were stuck in leases of expensive business space that was now empty, and that just felt too wasteful, so the vibes solution was RTO mandates.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago

My company forced everyone back saying things like “we will never go back to fully remote work”.

A year later, we went remote and they started downsizing our office.

I suspect our lease was up.

[–] Darkonion@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I think having people present is a crutch for bad managers too. Instead of checking in, setting goals, and reviewing goals reached they can just roll around the compound and see if everyone is fiddling with their doodads and looking stressed out.

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 months ago

Companies leased all this space in commercial office buildings. So they need to justify it. And if/when the commercial real estate market collapses it’ll cause another stock market collapse.